Hey guys!
I really need this problem fixed.
I uploaded a song I did for school (LordofthefliesFinal.mp3) and the original mp3 file sounds fine, when I email it to people it sounds fine, but when I uploaded it to the website, it plays super crackly and distorted and digital "farts" on the bandAMP website, but it doesnt do that on my computet (the computer I uploaded it on.) It just does that on everyone elses computers. I recorded at 128kbps and at the 44100hz thing in Audacity with a Behringer XENYX 1204FX Mixer hooked up to a Compaq Presario F700 laptop.

I dont know why its doing this,
PLEASE HELP!!!
Thanks!!!!!

Can you email me the song...I want to check it out..Ill Pm you my Email...We will take it from there...As soon as I get it Ill listen to it an maybe do a temp upload under my page see if I get the same results...k


M...

Sounds great!
Thanks!

It may seem obvious, but are you converting the file to mp3, there are similar versions.

I think Audacity has it's own converter, Have you tried using switch, can be downloaded for free, make sure you download the free version.

Denis

Im using audacity to export as an mp3 file with the LAME whatever you have to use in audacity to do that.

I also downloaded another mp3  converter and convereted using that and it still makes the same sounds on this website.

Check you settings on Audacity

What is 'LAME'

you know the lame.dll or whatever you need to convert mp3 files in audacity?

Hey just out of curiosity..When you render are you using any effects on audacity?

Nope no effects.
I did use "Generate Silence" in a bunch of places but other than that no.

First,Ok did you record this song into audacity as whole track(stereo ch 1and 2) or did you actually recorded the song using audacity as a virtual recorder putting more than the stereo tracks.../
Second, can you find where audacity stores the audio files its rendering ,maybe in C/program files /audacity.... ..Most likely there audacity work files and not mp3..Send me one of those..Ill get audacity and check it out...If its bigger than ten mgs,let me know Ill give you a couple of options to send it..

Whats the ram on tour Pc?

First: I recorded the song in Audacity with like 12 different tracks: Drums, Rythm guitar, Lead guitar, Lead guitar 2, vocals 1, vocals 2, vocals 3, vocals 4, vocals 5, lead guitar 3, chorus guitar, and so on.
My audacity is set to record Mono tracks, so I recorded each track at a different time, in the mono setting.

Second: Sure I'll take a look and send it to you. Do you mean like the entire project file or each individual track in an audacity format?

The ram on my pc is 1.50 GB.
Here is all the info on my PC:

Manufacturer: HP
Presario F700
Windows Vista System rating: 2.4
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-55 1.80 GHz
32-bit operating system
Memory (RAM) 1.50 gb

Hey K sorry it took me a bit..Man I got to tell you the copy I was sent by your teacher(I think )its also making that digital noise..Theres is a conflict there in your sound device but Im not sure what it is.....Have you tried reinstalling?

lol sorry i didnt notice you posted here.
well my teacher recieved it fine from me, and she sent it to pretty much everyone in the school and they recieved it fine, so im thinking that maybe its an "out of country" problem.

You arent in the US are you?
Maybe for some unknown reason the government wont let my song play if its not being played in the US...

conspiracy? coincidence? collateral damage?
you decide

I am in Arkansas..
An it is damaged..
I did a spectral analysis and the noise is there..
I think your teacher and friends might not understand that some things in there don't belong..You hear it too..It is a pc issue..Anyways Its your deal you can either repair it o go on in denial about it..

lol dude im SERIOUS!!!!
I was at my teachers computer and she played it and it was perfectly clear like when I play it on my computer.
If I go on someone elses computer and listen to it on bandamp, it sounds awful, but if i listen to the emailed file it sounds fine.
Why does it work for my teacher, me, all of my friends, but not here on bandamp or you?

Im not in denial...or am i?....
im saying that it does play fine on my computer (listening to the file itself and when i listen on bandamp, and the mp3 file sounds fine when i email it to my friends.)

Do you or does anyone know why it works for some and doesnt for others?
Oh and I noticed that i DO have Asio4all....

jeez i wish this nightmare would end lol

Like reinstalling Vista?

Mmm.. I just downloaded the mp3 from the audio review page, and it's perfect--- no noise.  yet when I play it in the amp, it's there.

Mmmmmmm...

..

My diagnosis is that you're song is at 48k frequency.  44.1k is the "standard", if there ever was one.

The bandamp player has been known to molest songs that are not in 44.1k

On your final output mp3, I would open it up in Audacity, and then click on the track's title.  You'll get a menu, involving options like... "move track down", or "split stereo track", etc, etc.  The last entry is "Set Rate > ".  From that "Set Rate" sub menu, pick 44100 instead of 48000.

Then export it again as an mp3 so that your change actual is saved somewhere

ah, and then reupload it to test

(terribly sorry for triple post)

i reread your first post, and you said you recorded at 44.1k, but your mp3 is in 48k, whether you know why or not I think your final export is just going out the door in the wrong frequency

THANK YOU!!!!!!! lol
yes see the mp3 plays fine when you download it.

ok TLS im gonna go try that...i sure hope it works....

*dead silence*

OK SO TLS!!!
I just went into audacity and i have like 15 tracks or something. DO i have to go down and change every single thing to 44.1? oh and lol its at 960000 or something lol!!!'

ok i guess ill go through and change all of them to 44.1

lets see if this works

HOLY FREAKING NUTS ON FIRE!!!

ok so i set everything to 441000 and it put everything in super slow motion and nothing is on time with anything anymore....
WHAT THE FREAKING CRAP!!!

and i dont think it will make any difference when i export it will it?

so all in all my vocals would come in at the wrong time and it sounds like NOOOOOO you know slow motion screaming? well it sounded like crap

I take it you dont have wavelab....excellent program.....
I've read the thread and I would try a 'save as... ' on the original , good , 960000000000k version of the mp3, but then save it as 44100kHs and if it still plays fast you can just change the speed/time tempo.
You cant simply change the sample rate of a song half way through it will influence the audio samples and midi tracks in different ways, a change of speed would be one of those things. Because your working on the song and your audio editor program is set at a certain sample rate, changing it in the program only changes the program not the samples, they will just be played differently.
You have to process / convert the sample it's self or start the song from scratch with samples of matching sample rates and the programs sample rate set correctly.

the pain. the pain.
im really sick today and have no idea what your saying but ill come back when im feeling better and hopefully ill understand. my head is killing me
thanks for your help.

I meant audacity...
Get a bit rate converter and start using the 44.1 setting on your next tracks....
http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Multimedia_and_Graphics/MPEG_Audio_Players_and_Editors/Alt_MP3_Bitrate_Converter_Download.html

Remember 44 bit

Cool thanks...I'll give it a try.

How come when TLS downloaded the song from bandamp it played fine?

Because music-playing software on computers is smart enough to adapt to the difference in frequency.

if you think about it, if 44.1 is a standard, and yours is at 48, and then consider that "frequency" means the number of wavelengths fit into a second (or maybe some other unit of time).  So, 48 means that you're packing more waves into each second.  Our bandamp player tries to read all mp3s as if they were 44.1.   That's a problem for songs at 48, because they'll sound like they're playing too fast.  Of course, the side effect on yours was more like that stuttering because it couldn't figure out how to time it.

If you were to save at 96, the difference would be more obvious, and would play back at wacko speeds.

bottom line: Plan the frequency from the start.  It's always worth investigating the settings to make sure you're defaulting to 44.1.  Other frequencies are okay for other things, but standards are standards, so it's best to stick with 44.1

You might not be able to completely "salvage" this mp3, if the various audacity tracks are at different frequencies.. We can download and listen, though :P

I intend on having an mp3 player on the site rewrite that won't choke on non-44.1 files.  I'm prepared to write my own streaming mp3 player if I can't find one for free.  Too bad our current "Wimpy" player sucks.  I'd expect more out of a company that charges money for that player.

mm, and a quick technicality-- some posts have casually referred to this "frequency" as a "rate" or something to do with "bits".  That's kind of true, but it's actually a vastly different thing than a "bit rate".  The bit rate is the quality packed into the song, and has nothing to do with wavelengths, tempos, or goofy speeds.  That being the case, feel free to make your songs at any "bitrate" that you want.

Bit rate is measured in the number of 1's and 0's dedicated to reproducing your recording, per second.  It's measured in thousands.  So even though we refer to songs as being in a 192 bit rate, that actually means 192kbps (kilobits per second).  Frequency, however, is measured in hertz, like your computer's processor.  Frequency is also in thousands, so that's where the 44.1k comes from.  More properly, it would be written out like "44.1 kHz"

do you think he gets that?

ah yes I understand.
but when Marino downloaded it, and when i sent him the file, and when my teacher sent him the file, and he played it, he still said that it sounded like it did on the site, all crackly and digitally messed up and just awful.

Ok so for future reference, whenever I make any new songs in audacity, I have to make sure that all the tracks record at 44.1khz.

How do I make that a default so that anything I record automatically records to 44.1?

lol I understand all of this just fine

You can record at any bit rate or sample rate, you just have to convert it to get it to play properly in your audio editor, when your making the song.
Though actually you should be doing all your recording and 'studio work' at high bit and sample rates , this way you get better quality from your productions. So you were doing it right, you just had to convert the exported song to 44.1kHz to upload it to the Amp.
Check for preferences / audio preferences / audio options in the audio/mixing/recording programs that you use for the sample rate.
Just make sure you change it for the whole program and not only the session / song , something I've come across in WaveLab.

Yeah.. something kings just said makes me want to clarify.

It should be fine to use high-frequency samples (i imagine), but your base audio tracks should all be at the same frequency.  That way, when you mix down to your final mp3, any higher-than-44.1k samples should fit themselves into the rest of your track.

You *can't* just mix down to one single track, change the frequency to something new, and then re-export and expect it to sound the same.  That's when you'll start experiencing non-normal speeds (on your computer or on bandamp's player.. either one), because of what I described at post 28.


I'm trying to make sure that it's very very clear.  We keep threads on the forum long after we've solved problems, so that others can read it if they need to.  Best be very clear for any future readers.

That, and I loath misleading documentation.  Blessed be Linux, but damn the incomplete and misleading documentation that plagues its existence.  There should be no such thing.

Okay thank you so much both kings and tls, and of course Marino.
ok i am in audacity right now attempting to see if I can make this work.
im going through your guys steps, step-by-step. first of all...alll of my base audio tracks in my audacity project are at 96000hz. It says that on all of them (the section where you can adjust the gain level on each individual track, and make each track Mute or Solo.)
ok now....when i go to Preferences, and I click the Quality tab, the default sample rate is 44100hz. (I recently changed it to 44100 from 96000 in a previous attempt at exporting and uploading the song. the song still didnt work...on the site).

OOOOHHHH!!! ok so at the bottom of the Audacity screen i was looking and I saw in the lower left corner somethign that said:
Project Rate: (and then there was this box that had 96000 in it. I clicked the box and changed it to 44100.)

if i export the project now, will it work? (if it will please give me EXACT instructions on what to do to export it so i dont miss anything...i really want this to work)

well im gonna try exporting and uploading on my own until someone replies and see if it works.
thanks!!!

ok now for some reason its taking over 30 MINUTES to export a 4:40 mp3...usually it takes less than 3 minutes...
but I dont think its a result of the changes i made....earlier in the week i acciddently tried exporting it ( with nothing changed), and the estimated time was like up in 36 minutes and stuff.

i dont know why its doing that.
im gonna cancel the export its got 20 mins left, and try and see whats going on.

huh.

maybe it's trying to scale the frequency at the same time?  I might suggest doing a quick mixdown into a single track before trying to do the full export.  That way, you're only exporting one track, and it only has to convert one single track, instead of 15+ tracks simultaneously

could it be that your exporting software is not the only one running on your computer?
Sometimes a heavy loaded cpu and/or low RAM and/or too many processes is/are the reason for those clicks

(just a thought)

This is the way I do it. I usually do my multi tracks recording @ 24 bit depth, and 96khz.  I then export that down to a stereo track at 96khz @ 24 bit, I then import that file back into the  recording software, run that through the mastering (no it's not real mastering) part of the software, and work on any anomalies that I might be able to fix with eq/compression/ whatever. I can fix. 

 I then export that stereo file into a another wav file @ what is the old standard cd settings,  16 bit @ 44.1khz
I send a copy of that file into a separate mp3 converter and convert it to the mp3 format I need.
note: If I use ITUNES for the transfer to .mp3  I can leave the  wav files at 24 bit, Itunes now works with 24 bit files.

note: I can't remember if audacity has dithering or not, but if it does make sure it is on. when doing any file transfer rate/depth.

  I know that seems like a lot of work, but if you wanna burn good cd's .The audio is better for the cd coming from a wav file, than mp3. Everything I have read about transferring down into cd format or mp3 uploads says to wait until the last possible transfer for that particular transfer. huh? I mean keep everything at the highest rates you can until you just absolutely  have to transfer the rates.  I understand that pro studios wait until they are burning the tracks down for the "Red book" audio files (last file transfers) before mastering house, before  that everything is kept at high rates.