| MUSIC vs PERSONALITY |
THE QUESTION: do you think the music we create can reflect our personality?
musicians - do they show their entire selves each time they create some piece of music?
do you think that the music we wirte is the reflection of the features of your character, or just your feelings? Possibly both, but to what extend?
If u hear a piece of music - would u be able to quess any features of someone's character? If so, what would would you base your opinion on? what would be the thing that would unveil the writer's character? What could you find in someone's music - whether (s)he is a muture/immature person, with/without issues, high strung/relaxed, easy-going, etc.
And why most people who create music, do not create the same type of music they listen to?
Are there any theories on that, I wonder?
What do u think? Any examples maybe? While listening to sth - do you think about what the writer is like?
Jim
musicians - do they show their entire selves each time they create some piece of music?
do you think that the music we wirte is the reflection of the features of your character, or just your feelings? Possibly both, but to what extend?
If u hear a piece of music - would u be able to quess any features of someone's character? If so, what would would you base your opinion on? what would be the thing that would unveil the writer's character? What could you find in someone's music - whether (s)he is a muture/immature person, with/without issues, high strung/relaxed, easy-going, etc.
And why most people who create music, do not create the same type of music they listen to?
Are there any theories on that, I wonder?
What do u think? Any examples maybe? While listening to sth - do you think about what the writer is like?
Jim
The music we write is the reflection of ourselves, where as the music we listen to is the reflection of our escape. We listen to music that changes the way we feel... that makes us feel like someone different... The attitude we are facing at this time in our life will cause the style of music we listen to to change, but we almost never listen to the style of music we create because it is too close to what we are... though the music we listen to ALWAYS influences our music.... now there are exceptions to this rule... Those with narrow windows of observation are going to create a music more in line with their listening style, in other words, if they are VERY into Heavy Metal and that is all they are really into, then they are going to create a similar music, but there are varying styles even to heavy metal, in all there are about 25 different styles of heavy metal on the radio at this time... this includes old school (megadeth,iron maiden).. to take me for instance, I listen to such a HUGE variety of music, that I am more open to a wider variety of creativity.. To look at my music, I believe you will see me, crazy, weird, with a sense of humor, and a softer, sensitive, sincere side as well..... as for the styles I listen too, well, I listen mostly to Nickel Creek, Country(Alan Jackson, George Strait, George Jones, Keith Urban) as well as Simon and Garfunkel, Peter Frampton, Doobie Brothers, Dixie Chicks, Dylan, Metallica, Megadeth, Ozzy Osbourne, Dio,Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Depeche Mode, Yes, Doors, Cars, Barenaked Ladies,T-bone, Mercy Me, Beethoven, Bach(Johann Sebastien), Tchaikovsky... so you get the idea... These are the types I listen to EVERY DAY... My MP3 player is crammed full, and ever changing... so, my attitude changes frequently throughout the day... and so I have the music to soothe me... The reason I laid out the list of artists, instead of Genre is to show that even within one genre, there are many styles to that genre, and to show the complexity of moods within one day.....
I hope this isn't too long.....
JimK
I hope this isn't too long.....
JimK
I'm quite sure that when you create music, you're putting a large part of your entirety into it, unless you want to create music in conformity to rules and theories and techniques and methods that were learnt by you and have little to do with your personal creativity. Still, the rules and theories and techniques and methods that you'd choose to apply are indeed - a personal choice... so even then there will be a touch of your personality seeping through... and that's just one radical example of when your personality wouldn't enter your work so much...
The closer you get to unbound creativity, the more of your personality is making it to record... But one could always derive atleast something of a psychological profile from any artist's work... That is what I believe... Or maybe I am a social retard... Which might be the case...
The closer you get to unbound creativity, the more of your personality is making it to record... But one could always derive atleast something of a psychological profile from any artist's work... That is what I believe... Or maybe I am a social retard... Which might be the case...
I donot feel that u r a social retard, PX. On the contrary.
Would it be possible to come up with some sort of list that would name all personality features reflected in music, e.g. when u compose sth melodic and easy to whistle - does that show you have some distinctive qualities to your character?
Or when you write sth strange and difficult to digest - does that prove that u r a somewhat difficult to deal with a person? Does that show anything at all?
Would it be possible to come up with some sort of list that would name all personality features reflected in music, e.g. when u compose sth melodic and easy to whistle - does that show you have some distinctive qualities to your character?
Or when you write sth strange and difficult to digest - does that prove that u r a somewhat difficult to deal with a person? Does that show anything at all?
The question is: Why the hell do I record my music and why do I want other people take part of this?
1. the first answer could be: I want to make money. Or everyone who is involved into someones music wants to make money. money money money
2. the second and simpliest answer could be (and this is MY personal conviction): it makes me happy to lead the listener into the mood when the music was created for the first time
An intelligent brain can see the difference between these two ways of music (pop and art)
I deeply believe that music shows the personality of the musician. a kind of naked exhibition.
1. the first answer could be: I want to make money. Or everyone who is involved into someones music wants to make money. money money money
2. the second and simpliest answer could be (and this is MY personal conviction): it makes me happy to lead the listener into the mood when the music was created for the first time
An intelligent brain can see the difference between these two ways of music (pop and art)
I deeply believe that music shows the personality of the musician. a kind of naked exhibition.
I think the music we write is a reflection of something we want to externalize. I believe that ideas exist metaphysically and can only be cemented into the physical world through some sort of medium which is in this case music. However, I believe that there is a loss that occurs in converting something that does not exist as sound or light or words into something else and in that respect all art is flawed in that it will never 100% express the true idea that the artist intended whether he knows it or not. Thus I believe that the music we create is a reflection of our personalities because it is a reflection of our ideals. One doesn't tend to write a serious essay on lint or plastic because these things are not of importance to them. Love, life, trouble, pain, ecstacy... these are things that are common to every person and ironically they are the exact thing that we as artists seem to always strive to express even though there really doesn't seem to be a need because so many better artists have done it already. But, we do. This is a strange question as to why we create art, I really liked the opinion I heard in a movie called "Shadowlands" about C.S. Lewis who said, "we read to know we're not alone", similarly, I believe we create to know we're not alone and we showcase that work to know that someone agrees and know that we are not alone. Moreover, I think a person puts himself entirely into whatever he creates. However, I think that one could create the best art if he was capable of removing himself and observing the world unbiased. This is nearly imposible and requires an understanding of oneself that I think is defined in Buddhism as Nirvana. However, I feel that this is the one true path of the artist. We put ourselves into our creations in order to observe ourselves externally in order to better understand ourselves so that we can begin to deconstruct ourselves and achieve an understanding of ourself and our consciousness that will eventually lead us to Nirvana. Good luck.
DTF wrote…
I think the music we write is a reflection of something we want to externalize. I believe that ideas exist metaphysically and can only be cemented into the physical world through some sort of medium which is in this case music. However, I believe that there is a loss that occurs in converting something that does not exist as sound or light or words into something else and in that respect all art is flawed in that it will never 100% express the true idea that the artist intended whether he knows it or not. Thus I believe that the music we create is a reflection of our personalities because it is a reflection of our ideals. One doesn't tend to write a serious essay on lint or plastic because these things are not of importance to them.
Well, I tend to disagree here... only in the fact that I believe even a song about lint tells something about the character of that person... If you listen to the music of Steve Martin, or Adam Sandler... These are Comedic musicians.. but artists the same... The song by Adam Sandler "Red Hodded Sweatshirt" was in fact a fantastic piece of work... Very well done, and shows his personality... He is a clown, it is not just what he does, but is who he is... He has a hard time being serious... He can, he chooses not too, and we can tell that by his work... Steve Martin on the other hand, his stuff is out there.. it is complicated and funny, and serious.... He has written more than just the comedy stuff you are used to, and he is one of the top banjo players in the world.. So, to say one doesn't write a serious essay or song about lint or plastic is to generalize that noone finds lint or plastic interesting... but I find lint Very fascinating, and might write a song about it..... I'll put it on here...
JimkDaAdtman wrote…
DTF wrote…
I think the music we write is a reflection of something we want to externalize. I believe that ideas exist metaphysically and can only be cemented into the physical world through some sort of medium which is in this case music. However, I believe that there is a loss that occurs in converting something that does not exist as sound or light or words into something else and in that respect all art is flawed in that it will never 100% express the true idea that the artist intended whether he knows it or not. Thus I believe that the music we create is a reflection of our personalities because it is a reflection of our ideals. One doesn't tend to write a serious essay on lint or plastic because these things are not of importance to them.
Well, I tend to disagree here... only in the fact that I believe even a song about lint tells something about the character of that person... If you listen to the music of Steve Martin, or Adam Sandler... These are Comedic musicians.. but artists the same... The song by Adam Sandler "Red Hodded Sweatshirt" was in fact a fantastic piece of work... Very well done, and shows his personality... He is a clown, it is not just what he does, but is who he is... He has a hard time being serious... He can, he chooses not too, and we can tell that by his work... Steve Martin on the other hand, his stuff is out there.. it is complicated and funny, and serious.... He has written more than just the comedy stuff you are used to, and he is one of the top banjo players in the world.. So, to say one doesn't write a serious essay or song about lint or plastic is to generalize that noone finds lint or plastic interesting... but I find lint Very fascinating, and might write a song about it..... I'll put it on here...
I don't really know how to quote so I hope this works.
You raise a good point and so I apologize and will try and refine my arguement. Firstly, I wrote that one doesn't tend to write a song about these things. This does not mean that songs about lint don't exist, I actually heard one two nights ago specifically about lint which was what prompted that specific example, but I think that when a person does create a song about lint it is either for the same reasons he writes a love song, or more likely out of a desire to get a laugh. In that case, the song is valid and meaningful as JimkDaAdtman said it characterizes the artist as a clown or a joker or whatever, but in that case the purpose of creating that piece was not to express an idea about lint but to use lint as a medium for self expression (this is definately reading too far into the idea though). In that case, the song isn't really about lint or plastic but about the character of the artist and holds to the usual themes that are everpresent in art and cultural expressions.
well, what is or is not about music vs. personality is something that, IMO, boils down to this... um... well...
I hate to repeat myself, so: https://forum.bandamp.org/The_Pit/3917_page5.html
So, in short, the brain is a pretty physical thing and everything that happens in it are physical electrochemical processes, and music is vibrations through air (or other material) and this affects the human body physically, in ways of molecular vibrations, and these ought to have an effect on the brain - thus the processes in it. And so an artist would probably create music which has an effect of preference on his/her own brain, hereby enclosing his/her personality.
As far as personality analysis goes... There are literally millions of ways of doing this and none of them are 100% accurate... In fact, it's more like the "established science" version of the ol' horoscope at best, so there ya go.
Sorry to be brief about this at the moment, but I don't have the time to write an academic paper on this issue, which I assure you, I am capable of.
I hate to repeat myself, so: https://forum.bandamp.org/The_Pit/3917_page5.html
So, in short, the brain is a pretty physical thing and everything that happens in it are physical electrochemical processes, and music is vibrations through air (or other material) and this affects the human body physically, in ways of molecular vibrations, and these ought to have an effect on the brain - thus the processes in it. And so an artist would probably create music which has an effect of preference on his/her own brain, hereby enclosing his/her personality.
As far as personality analysis goes... There are literally millions of ways of doing this and none of them are 100% accurate... In fact, it's more like the "established science" version of the ol' horoscope at best, so there ya go.
Sorry to be brief about this at the moment, but I don't have the time to write an academic paper on this issue, which I assure you, I am capable of.
This doesn't mean I don't like this discussion, in fact I love it!
well, this is my response
First. My personality is a mix of sounds, ideas, theories, pictures, moments, etc... and I express just only the part pertaining to my state of spirit. In my music, sometimes are moments, ideas or a mix of all. I try to say something but the way in which is interpreted varies accord every person.
Second. I like to hear new music, that is my style. And sometimes I take a part, and I reproduced it in my songs.
Third. I dont want to make money making songs. To me, its only to share my feelings.
Fourth: Here I have known great musicians, new people from other latitudes, generally good people who wants to share the same: MUSIC.
First. My personality is a mix of sounds, ideas, theories, pictures, moments, etc... and I express just only the part pertaining to my state of spirit. In my music, sometimes are moments, ideas or a mix of all. I try to say something but the way in which is interpreted varies accord every person.
Second. I like to hear new music, that is my style. And sometimes I take a part, and I reproduced it in my songs.
Third. I dont want to make money making songs. To me, its only to share my feelings.
Fourth: Here I have known great musicians, new people from other latitudes, generally good people who wants to share the same: MUSIC.
music begins where words end, so to rationalize music will be hard i believe.
The best thing i found was : sound as you are, be honest in that, so you dont fool yourself and others
Of course i realize that people act a lot in life, so they might in music too.
At that point there is not much to discover about the persons character.
Also i believe a character is such a complex thing, you'd need a lot of albums to show all ins and outs, not to speak about the development of a person's character.
About emotions and sharing them.., that's whats music about to me
So i think you need a personality to make music(or other arts), but to get a personality out of a work, you really could go wrong there, you'd never know what you missed.
for instance: I listened to songs from JBP..., his music sounds intelligent, perfectly played and mixed, it's neat, not wild music with very sweet intention
So should that mean JBP is a softie or a nerd or something???
I'm sure he is intelligent, he plays and mixes well, probably a very neat guy with some sweet touch in his character..., but I bet he gets angry now and then, maybe never writes his mother, maybe kicked little doggies in the dark and what else we dont know about him, bc it isn't the song???
Hope i'm not missing the point here.., but this is my opinion.
And to me.. whats the importance of it?
Except for this interesting discussion btw(which is going far above my head anyway)
The best thing i found was : sound as you are, be honest in that, so you dont fool yourself and others
Of course i realize that people act a lot in life, so they might in music too.
At that point there is not much to discover about the persons character.
Also i believe a character is such a complex thing, you'd need a lot of albums to show all ins and outs, not to speak about the development of a person's character.
About emotions and sharing them.., that's whats music about to me
So i think you need a personality to make music(or other arts), but to get a personality out of a work, you really could go wrong there, you'd never know what you missed.
for instance: I listened to songs from JBP..., his music sounds intelligent, perfectly played and mixed, it's neat, not wild music with very sweet intention
So should that mean JBP is a softie or a nerd or something???
I'm sure he is intelligent, he plays and mixes well, probably a very neat guy with some sweet touch in his character..., but I bet he gets angry now and then, maybe never writes his mother, maybe kicked little doggies in the dark and what else we dont know about him, bc it isn't the song???
Hope i'm not missing the point here.., but this is my opinion.
And to me.. whats the importance of it?
Except for this interesting discussion btw(which is going far above my head anyway)
I really think people are missing the true point of the question...It is not so much a discussion of music and the philosophy of life... But, more just can one really catch a glimpse of the writer from the song... I wholeheartedly believe you can, and do...
I am thinking more and more though that this is something only people open to it are going to be able to do... that not everyone can, because they actually don't want to...or at least subconsciously don't want to...
I dunno... maybe I am weird... Oh wait, I am... hehehe
JimK
I am thinking more and more though that this is something only people open to it are going to be able to do... that not everyone can, because they actually don't want to...or at least subconsciously don't want to...
I dunno... maybe I am weird... Oh wait, I am... hehehe
JimK
MaxdB wrote…
Also i believe a character is such a complex thing, you'd need a lot of albums to show all ins and outs, not to speak about the development of a person's character.
isn't that why you normally get differently composed and differently sounding albums from the same artists? we all change, and I initially meant what JimK has written above.
And I don't think i am a softie, but I am a gentle person I guess. So you might have got some opints right there! (i have not found it offensive at all, so don't worry )
wow,, ill get back to ya ,,,what a can of worms jim.
one thing we should all agree on is that.
all music envokes emotion,,,i challenge anyone to dispute that
personalitie and character are two diff things we should agree on that.
can u tell something about the writer? i think so,,, i can tell what they r trying to accomplish
ill put some good thought into this and give u my perspective
buzz contemplates
lol
one thing we should all agree on is that.
all music envokes emotion,,,i challenge anyone to dispute that
personalitie and character are two diff things we should agree on that.
can u tell something about the writer? i think so,,, i can tell what they r trying to accomplish
ill put some good thought into this and give u my perspective
buzz contemplates
lol
Unless you're a hard core Humian empiricist then:
Music = Tonality + Identity
Otherwise, what differentiates two people trained in the same school of music? What keeps them from writing the same thing? Therefore I'll extend this to say that if you remove the tone from your own music you should find a peice of your identity.
Music = Tonality + Identity
Otherwise, what differentiates two people trained in the same school of music? What keeps them from writing the same thing? Therefore I'll extend this to say that if you remove the tone from your own music you should find a peice of your identity.
| yeah jim |
think about your favorite artist what do you get from their songs
When you here Stevie Nicks you know what she's thinking, gets her ideas out.
I'm not sure if you get the whole thing, more like glimpses of thoughts, and feelings.
Sometimes when I'm pissed I don't always write a angry tune.
Sometimes I'll write, or play the opposite, to get me out of that mood.
It's probably diffrent for everyone. thus so many diffrent styles and styles within styles.
When you here Stevie Nicks you know what she's thinking, gets her ideas out.
I'm not sure if you get the whole thing, more like glimpses of thoughts, and feelings.
Sometimes when I'm pissed I don't always write a angry tune.
Sometimes I'll write, or play the opposite, to get me out of that mood.
It's probably diffrent for everyone. thus so many diffrent styles and styles within styles.
Most complex subject,..but not very interesting.
Its better to just make music!
Otherwise:do a study philosophy.
Its better to just make music!
Otherwise:do a study philosophy.
voltstupor wrote…
Most complex subject,..but not very interesting.
Yes, I would love to just make the music, but I'm sitting in my office at work so it's not really possible - I'm also not able to listen and review some of the music that's been posted as the soundcard is disabled in my work pc -
............................but I can keep content over breakfast by reading these posts (while currently listening to Pink Floyd's Shine on You Crazy Diamond on my MP3 player!).
So, I find it interesting that everyone has their own ideas that seem to center around a common theme - the music we write reflects our character to a point; or perhaps it's more that it reflects our current state of mind.
I liked the idea that the music we write is an expression of ourselves, whereas the music we listen to is our escape. Something that can tie up the observation made that we (well, many of us) write different music from that we listen to.
Going back to JBP's original questions though:
1) I rarely think that musicians show their entire selves when they create a piece of music. I think that it's just a picture of their emotion at the time of writing. For myself, I can start to write a piece of music one day, and then go to complete it on a different day, and I end up re-recording the lot, as it no longer sounds the way I want (or feel).
2) The music I write is a mixture of my character and feelings; it's mostly the way I feel though. I think the lyrics are a really important aspect of showing character and feeling too (if you write them, but that's another matter I think)
3) I don't think I could guess someone's character from the music they write (as I said above, I think we all hold part of ourselves back) but I may be able to guess how someone was feeling at the time. There is bound to be a glimpse of their character in there, but that's all. My opinion would be based on how the music makes me feel.
4) As previously said, I think partially we listen to music that suits our current emotional state - we write what we can, which may emulate in some way the stuff we listen to, but it's more a bearing of the sole!
Wow, this is either a great response to Jim's original post - or it a load of complete b*ll*cks.
Whatever, I find it an interesting thread.
(BTW Since I started writing I've listened to some Dream Theater, Peter Gabriel, The Calling, and one song by EducatedGuess! All of which I really enjoyed
)No of fence,..just make music that's all i am trying to say.
If you find its interesting,.. yo respect.
But in the cont ex of making music i think it isn't interesting at all.
So that's all,..respect.
PS: I must admit it says something about my personality that i am saying this
If you find its interesting,.. yo respect.
But in the cont ex of making music i think it isn't interesting at all.
So that's all,..respect.
PS: I must admit it says something about my personality that i am saying this 
Jiminuk wrote…
1) I rarely think that musicians show their entire selves when they create a piece of music. I think that it's just a picture of their emotion at the time of writing.
I agree.
And I think that it is only possible to recognize aspects of a person's character by listening to an amount of music that was written over a long period of time... say, a few albums worth, because like Jim said, most songs (I'm guessing) are just a reflection of their emotion at the time of writing. I know this is true to how I write music...
However, if you listen to enough of someone's music, you can recognize certain elements, certain tones that repeat themselves... certain patterns that could possibly relate to the similarity between music and personality.
But, then again, I think it's nearly impossible for the listener to determine which of these patterns actually relates to a person's personality, and which is just a reflection of the writer's emotion around the time of writing.
i think that music is a musician's way of letting someone know how they really feel without having to actually say it straight out. look at all the teen boy bands; they get to say how they really feel without having to admit it-"it was just a good sound" or "yeah, it's just what people want to hear". they can say how scared they are of love, and get paid or it instead of beat up.
music that is written by the artist(in other words, not pop) let's the artist tell someone how (s)he feels, so it does reveal something of the artist.
music that is written by the artist(in other words, not pop) let's the artist tell someone how (s)he feels, so it does reveal something of the artist.
"Music is the shorthand of emotion. Emotions which let themselves be described in words with such difficulty, are directly conveyed to man in music, and in that is its power and significance. " - Leo Tolstoy
Couldn't find the words myself, luckily smarter men;before me,have.
Still doesn't answer the question (if it is answerable ) but maybe music is a glimpse of emotions,feelings, ideas, concepts, hopes,dreams,nightmares, everything that ecompesses the human. given out in the expression of sounds.
Greg Harris
Toasted Goat
Couldn't find the words myself, luckily smarter men;before me,have.
Still doesn't answer the question (if it is answerable ) but maybe music is a glimpse of emotions,feelings, ideas, concepts, hopes,dreams,nightmares, everything that ecompesses the human. given out in the expression of sounds.
Greg Harris
Toasted Goat
maybe some of our personality is reflecting in our music, but not at all, some people follow tendences of the moment, but I think all of us looking for something new, we trying to make difference, and that not mean change our personality, all is different in every song, the same is who is making the song.
Creo que la personalidad se refleja un poco en la musica que hacemos, pero creo que todos estamos buscando una identidad dentro de ella,siempre buscamos algo para hacer cosas distintas, lo cual no implica que en cada cancion tu cambies, o que cada cancion sea lo mismo, lo que alomejor es mas reflejable en la musica son los sentimientos.
La personalidad se esconde bajo la sabana de los sentidos que van tejiendo con majestuosidad cada nota de una buena cancion....
Creo que la personalidad se refleja un poco en la musica que hacemos, pero creo que todos estamos buscando una identidad dentro de ella,siempre buscamos algo para hacer cosas distintas, lo cual no implica que en cada cancion tu cambies, o que cada cancion sea lo mismo, lo que alomejor es mas reflejable en la musica son los sentimientos.
La personalidad se esconde bajo la sabana de los sentidos que van tejiendo con majestuosidad cada nota de una buena cancion....
A piece of music, I believe, is based around a person at a set frame of mind in time, so therefore a song is a historical documentary, a diary of the composer, although the songs may reveal a side of the artist they may not want to expose. I mean there's one song I wrote which is deeply personal to me and expresses my helplessness at a point in my childhood (stupid bullies!), and I think this was about my closure from that point in my life, without denying it's existence. Also take the song 'No It Isn't' written by ex blink-182 member Mark Hoppus, where the lyrics describe deep hate towards his former band member and best friend, it truly is an expression of feelings of the person...
God what an interesting thread!
I think music is our expression of heaven.
The closer we are as individuals to out 'higher self' the 'clearer' our interpretation of and therefore our 'expression' of 'it' is.
God is a DJ!
I realized this watching 'Live8' on the TV, all those people in one place, all crammed together, moved by the same 'vibe', the same as any concert really!
Take away the body's and what do you have? One mass of individual consciousness. Swimming in the colours of the music. But where is the music? It surrounds them, yet it's also within them, it is part of them yet it is is a separate entity.
Take your own music JBP, it has clarity, is educational, it is good in the wide sense, you make it to be 'good' and it is widely accepted as being 'good', you obviously 'know your self' quite well otherwise you wouldn't have even posed this very post.
But then take a child banging away at a guitar or writing 'love songs', they are within themselves fighting through 'understanding', to get to 'clarity' somewhere.
Education and environment play a role in the creating of the person, and then you get things like 'spirit' and 'soul' which do in the right environment and with the right 'education', lead to 'talent'.
So what I'm saying is : You are what you eat!
Our present is influenced by our means to express our past and our future.
So whether it is a deeply personal 'one on one' song or a Concert for the masses, they are all expressions.
I think music is our expression of heaven.
The closer we are as individuals to out 'higher self' the 'clearer' our interpretation of and therefore our 'expression' of 'it' is.
God is a DJ!
I realized this watching 'Live8' on the TV, all those people in one place, all crammed together, moved by the same 'vibe', the same as any concert really!
Take away the body's and what do you have? One mass of individual consciousness. Swimming in the colours of the music. But where is the music? It surrounds them, yet it's also within them, it is part of them yet it is is a separate entity.
Take your own music JBP, it has clarity, is educational, it is good in the wide sense, you make it to be 'good' and it is widely accepted as being 'good', you obviously 'know your self' quite well otherwise you wouldn't have even posed this very post.
But then take a child banging away at a guitar or writing 'love songs', they are within themselves fighting through 'understanding', to get to 'clarity' somewhere.
Education and environment play a role in the creating of the person, and then you get things like 'spirit' and 'soul' which do in the right environment and with the right 'education', lead to 'talent'.
So what I'm saying is : You are what you eat!
Our present is influenced by our means to express our past and our future.
So whether it is a deeply personal 'one on one' song or a Concert for the masses, they are all expressions.
lol, this is all getting a bit deep...
i think a lot of people use composing as an outlet for emotion or feeling (etc), so they can't help but give at least a little glimpse into their lives. i think it would be hard to act in the same way through music as people can act on stage, because the ideas have to come from you (unless you're copying someone directly, lol)
ummm i think it also depends on the person, and the incentive behind the composition. if someone is writing music because they love it, then it's going to have a lot of them in it. if it's a money grabbing popular music jumping on the bandwagon kind of idea, then it'll probably have less of them and be more formulaic in the approach.
but then i'm strange, so don't listen to me.
i think a lot of people use composing as an outlet for emotion or feeling (etc), so they can't help but give at least a little glimpse into their lives. i think it would be hard to act in the same way through music as people can act on stage, because the ideas have to come from you (unless you're copying someone directly, lol)
ummm i think it also depends on the person, and the incentive behind the composition. if someone is writing music because they love it, then it's going to have a lot of them in it. if it's a money grabbing popular music jumping on the bandwagon kind of idea, then it'll probably have less of them and be more formulaic in the approach.
but then i'm strange, so don't listen to me.
| Whose music is it? |
After music is written it has to be played to be heard; right?
Well it no longer reflects the composer completely. It becomes a collective interpretation of something from the composer and the performer and can never exclusively represent anyone's feelings or personality.
How can the compositions of Bach represent fully his personality when, in reality, one can only guess what was going through his mind when the piece was being composed.
There are no recordings of his performances and, even if there were, he may have had new experiences after he composed the piece that profoundly chenged his concept as to how the piece might be performed.
Therefore we can only look and listen and create music the way we create it at the moment and learn from our experiences.
Well it no longer reflects the composer completely. It becomes a collective interpretation of something from the composer and the performer and can never exclusively represent anyone's feelings or personality.
How can the compositions of Bach represent fully his personality when, in reality, one can only guess what was going through his mind when the piece was being composed.
There are no recordings of his performances and, even if there were, he may have had new experiences after he composed the piece that profoundly chenged his concept as to how the piece might be performed.
Therefore we can only look and listen and create music the way we create it at the moment and learn from our experiences.
| re: Whose music is it? |
baverbach wrote…
After music is written it has to be played to be heard; right?
Well it no longer reflects the composer completely. It becomes a collective interpretation of something from the composer and the performer and can never exclusively represent anyone's feelings or personality.
How can the compositions of Bach represent fully his personality when, in reality, one can only guess what was going through his mind when the piece was being composed.
There are no recordings of his performances and, even if there were, he may have had new experiences after he composed the piece that profoundly chenged his concept as to how the piece might be performed.
Therefore we can only look and listen and create music the way we create it at the moment and learn from our experiences.
Right, the question is pertaining to music performed by the composer, as in this site is only music performed by the composer... That's the deal here, you write it, you record it, you post it... Since you can't post other peoples work, and you can only post cover tunes when certain specific criteria are involved, so, the question is, if YOU write a piece of music, and YOU record the piece of music, then does YOUR personality come through, and your soul show in the music? I think one can always cop out and say "noone knows what was going through the composer's mind at the time" but that is just it, He put right there, in the music, what was going through his mind, if you only open your mind...
JimK
| re: re: Whose music is it? |
JimkDaAdtman wrote…
baverbach wrote…
After music is written it has to be played to be heard; right?
Well it no longer reflects the composer completely. It becomes a collective interpretation of something from the composer and the performer and can never exclusively represent anyone's feelings or personality.
How can the compositions of Bach represent fully his personality when, in reality, one can only guess what was going through his mind when the piece was being composed.
There are no recordings of his performances and, even if there were, he may have had new experiences after he composed the piece that profoundly chenged his concept as to how the piece might be performed.
Therefore we can only look and listen and create music the way we create it at the moment and learn from our experiences.
Right, the question is pertaining to music performed by the composer, as in this site is only music performed by the composer... That's the deal here, you write it, you record it, you post it... Since you can't post other peoples work, and you can only post cover tunes when certain specific criteria are involved, so, the question is, if YOU write a piece of music, and YOU record the piece of music, then does YOUR personality come through, and your soul show in the music? I think one can always cop out and say "noone knows what was going through the composer's mind at the time" but that is just it, He put right there, in the music, what was going through his mind, if you only open your mind...
JimK
A piece that is composed is done at a different time than when it is performed. The idea comes first for the structure and then the perfomance is a realization of the composition. if YOU compose a piece of music and then YOU perform it you are a different person at the the time of the composition process than at the time of the perfomance of that piece.
There is a very common misconception that the score or notation is the MUSIC.
Music is something one hears not something someone reads.
The score is notation it is not the thing just as the word "DOG" does not wag its tail and bark.
That means every performance is different and every experience of that performance is different and each individual's perception of each and every performance is dictated by some many personal variables that one might say the LISTENER'S PERSONALITY would be more likely to manifest itself in the listening of the music than the composer's or performer's.
The mind is very interesting when it comes to creating associations. We are born into a universe in which we are bombarded with arbitrary experiences and from the moment of awareness we must create some order out of this "stuff" we experience. If we don't we would probably not survive.
If you arbitrarily choose two pieces of media and juxtapose them your mind makes order out of the experience as with film and music. It doesn't matter what the quality is of the two pieces all that matters is that together they appear to be one thing just as a low temperature and the rain appear as cold rain even though rain is water condensation whether the temperature is 80 degrees or 40 degrees.
OK. Enough. I know that sometime I'm verbose but I still stick with my original staement that "It becomes a collective interpretation of something from the composer and the performer"
| I think this is moving towards something more... |
I find that writing a piece of music is a broadening of personality, and with each new composition, no matter how serious or silly it is, it still teaches us something new about ourselves. I think that performance is an extension of that growth. Really getting into the music to emphasise and really state boldy what the music is about and what you represent.
| re: re: re: Whose music is it? |
baverbach wrote…
I say again, "It becomes a collective interpretation of something from the composer and the performer..."
A piece that is composed is done at a different time than when it is performed. The idea comes first for the structure and then the perfomance is a realization of the composition. if YOU compose a piece of music and then YOU perform it you are a different person at the the time of the composition process than at the time of the perfomance of that piece.
There is a very common misconception that the score or notation is the MUSIC.
OK, I am confused, Maybe you don't understand what I am talking about.. What I said was, if I compose a piece, and I perform the piece, Does my persoality and emotion show through the piece? Ibelieve indeed it does, and if I am a TRUE performer, then I would be able to recreate that and want to recreate that same emotion each time I perform the piece..
Baverbach wrote…
Music is something one hears not something someone reads.
The score is notation it is not the thing just as the word "DOG" does not wag its tail and bark.
That means every performance is different and every experience of that performance is different and each individual's perception of each and every performance is dictated by some many personal variables that one might say the LISTENER'S PERSONALITY would be more likely to manifest itself in the listening of the music than the composer's or performer's.
Baverbach wrote…
The mind is very interesting when it comes to creating associations. We are born into a universe in which we are bombarded with arbitrary experiences and from the moment of awareness we must create some order out of this "stuff" we experience. If we don't we would probably not survive.
If you arbitrarily choose two pieces of media and juxtapose them your mind makes order out of the experience as with film and music. It doesn't matter what the quality is of the two pieces all that matters is that together they appear to be one thing just as a low temperature and the rain appear as cold rain even though rain is water condensation whether the temperature is 80 degrees or 40 degrees.
OK. Enough. I know that sometime I'm verbose but I still stick with my original staement that "It becomes a collective interpretation of something from the composer and the performer"
That's what I think... after over 20 years as a sound engineer, I got a good handle on feeling the music, I can't hardly hear it now anyway, I have to feel it, after that many years of speakers blaring at me... hahaha...
JimK
| huh |
I think bbach and Jim are talking about two different (sorta) things coming from two different experiences
If you look at long dead composers you might not get a idea of the personality ...but there music does carry what I call a musical type of personality. The way they write ...what tones they used, instruments used ,
What order of the tones... dynamics .. pppor fff,, or in between ,,...tempo , accents .... ect. All composers used musical writing styles that were unique to them and there era. I also believe that they tried to do there best to convey to the listener a unique listening experience for that piece. Older composers used several moods within one piece of music to express joy/sadness./humor/anger ect. by use of modes(scales) and dissonance/resolve..ect..
I have to believe that the composer was doing the best to convey in his music his ideas and what he was hearing in his head at the time he wrote it......the performer reading the music does his best to convey that emotion to the audience That is why music has so many symbols from dynamics to tempo ect. It is up to the performer to get the mood across the best he can.
Now for Jims thing as related to this site it's for writer/performers for the most part. So If your writing current music and your the performer then yes you can get your personality across for that song or songs .
I'm pretty sure that most of us have heard interviews with famous singers/songwriters/performers where the interviewer asked a question like this " so this is your latest release ..this one seems to be different than your other releases" and the person would respond something similar to " I was going thru a happy/sad time and this album helped me during that time.... or " I feel stronger things have changed in my life and because of that my music had to change with it" (these are from actual interviews mixed together) Now if we can perceive this from the music....and we can because I recently had this happen with someone I like to listen to (Amy Lee) I had thought that her latest release was stronger and more confident music ..then later on I read in a interview that she had kicked her abusive longtime boyfriend to the curb, and was feeling very good ,and confident about herself, and no longer felt like the weak girl. If I had picked this up just from listening to her music, then I would have to conclude that her personality at the time of writing the songs did come through.
I can only go by my experiences, cause I only have one brain, and body, and personality, (hopefully one personality only) and have yet to figure out how to inter in to another person. Since we are all different our perceptions of things are different thus our likes and dislikes are different too. Some people get the emotion and feel of heavy metal or country or opera some people don't even get the feel of music and don't listen to it much.
So after all that BS , I think that current music can and does convey emotion and personality to the listener from the writer/composer
.
If you look at long dead composers you might not get a idea of the personality ...but there music does carry what I call a musical type of personality. The way they write ...what tones they used, instruments used ,
What order of the tones... dynamics .. pppor fff,, or in between ,,...tempo , accents .... ect. All composers used musical writing styles that were unique to them and there era. I also believe that they tried to do there best to convey to the listener a unique listening experience for that piece. Older composers used several moods within one piece of music to express joy/sadness./humor/anger ect. by use of modes(scales) and dissonance/resolve..ect..
I have to believe that the composer was doing the best to convey in his music his ideas and what he was hearing in his head at the time he wrote it......the performer reading the music does his best to convey that emotion to the audience That is why music has so many symbols from dynamics to tempo ect. It is up to the performer to get the mood across the best he can.
Now for Jims thing as related to this site it's for writer/performers for the most part. So If your writing current music and your the performer then yes you can get your personality across for that song or songs .
I'm pretty sure that most of us have heard interviews with famous singers/songwriters/performers where the interviewer asked a question like this " so this is your latest release ..this one seems to be different than your other releases" and the person would respond something similar to " I was going thru a happy/sad time and this album helped me during that time.... or " I feel stronger things have changed in my life and because of that my music had to change with it" (these are from actual interviews mixed together) Now if we can perceive this from the music....and we can because I recently had this happen with someone I like to listen to (Amy Lee) I had thought that her latest release was stronger and more confident music ..then later on I read in a interview that she had kicked her abusive longtime boyfriend to the curb, and was feeling very good ,and confident about herself, and no longer felt like the weak girl. If I had picked this up just from listening to her music, then I would have to conclude that her personality at the time of writing the songs did come through.
I can only go by my experiences, cause I only have one brain, and body, and personality, (hopefully one personality only) and have yet to figure out how to inter in to another person. Since we are all different our perceptions of things are different thus our likes and dislikes are different too. Some people get the emotion and feel of heavy metal or country or opera some people don't even get the feel of music and don't listen to it much.
So after all that BS , I think that current music can and does convey emotion and personality to the listener from the writer/composer
.
| As if I had a choice! |
I certainly don't make music to make money or to get any kind of recognition
I've got no choice! The music is there in my head all the time and it needs to come out the reason why I record it is only to make space for the next song
Does it represent a true image of who I am?
I'm so many persons that you can't really put a style on me!
my very schizo self and all of my friends...
lol
I've got no choice! The music is there in my head all the time and it needs to come out the reason why I record it is only to make space for the next song
Does it represent a true image of who I am?
I'm so many persons that you can't really put a style on me!
my very schizo self and all of my friends...
lol
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