| The BandAMP Myspace |
There have been a few threads around discussing the idea of bringing a bit of publicity to bandamp, to help the growth of the site. One idea that came up was a bandamp myspace page. So, Oldies324 took the time to create an account. It's fairly basic at the moment, and I have no idea how myspace works, so, I was thinking this tread could be used to pitch ideas and suggestions to post on the myspace account, and whoever ends up controlling the account, whether it be myself, oldies, or one of the more experienced bandampers, can take your ideas and use them to promote the site. Anyways, the thread is here, feel free to have your say, and we'll see a bit later what will happen with the account.
Cheers!
WB
(Would this sort of thing belong in the announcements forum?)
Cheers!
WB
(Would this sort of thing belong in the announcements forum?)
Ok so what's the myspace address? it's clearly not myspace.com/bandamp because that one belongs to a band called Amp 
Also I really really think having a bandamp myspace should go through mud first to make it "official", since bandamp is his pet project - maybe he doesn't want to have any affiliation with myspace at all... I have no idea ofcourse, but basically with the myspace account you are representing the whole site, and I can think of a few arguments why this may not be such a good idea. on the other hand, it's only myspace, so it's hard to screw up anything there it being so full of complete idiots.
Also I really really think having a bandamp myspace should go through mud first to make it "official", since bandamp is his pet project - maybe he doesn't want to have any affiliation with myspace at all... I have no idea ofcourse, but basically with the myspace account you are representing the whole site, and I can think of a few arguments why this may not be such a good idea. on the other hand, it's only myspace, so it's hard to screw up anything there it being so full of complete idiots.
I am not so sure it is a good thing to go about opening the doors so wide. One of the best things about Bandamp is it's sense of community. This is dependent on our ability to monitor and eliminate undesirable elements. There's an awful lot of dreck out there, particularly on "Myspace". Let's be careful about promotions and such; furthermore, let's make sure these kinds of ideas gets discussed with the necessary people first.
Just an idea, but if you don't want to make a full myspace for bandamp, you can just redirect the myspace account to bandamp, so when people click on the myspace page, it takes them here. Myspace is full of holes in their security, therefore you are able to do that easily. Just a thought 
BackwardsHat wrote…
Myspace is full of holes in their security, therefore you are able to do that easily. Just a thought :)
Aye, but won't that make the bandamp server prone to hacking- and virus attacks
| Leave the Amp alone |
Theres this saying........IF IT'S NOT BROKEN WHY FIX IT? enough said... 
PuppetXeno wrote…
BackwardsHat wrote…
Myspace is full of holes in their security, therefore you are able to do that easily. Just a thought :)
Aye, but won't that make the bandamp server prone to hacking- and virus attacks :o
No, unless there's holes in this server already, but it wouldn't be affected by it. I guess I phrased it a little differently, what I mean by that is it just takes the registered myspace domain, makes people come here instead, and the reason that's possible is because myspace has things you can code html into, and little to no blocks on what you enter into html. Most sites like that do have blocks to prevent people from redirecting others to malicious content, which is why it's known as being bad for their security.
| imho this decision for mud only |
This to me could be bad and good. Probably some of both; more people to this site, but with that comes the bad stuff too. more hackers/ spammers. To me this is a decision for the web developer.
| Myspace, and upsizing |
I am double posting this one... here, and in the thread about the myspace page...
I have to say again, That where I think it would be nice to grow this community, I think we need Mud to get more involved in this, this is his site, I mean, I tell people I meet who are into music, and recording, about the site.. But I am not about to start slapping stickers with Bandamp on it around town.. simply because:
1. It's not my site, and I don't have the authority to do so.
2. I don't think we want to get it so big it's hard to control and enjoy.
3. We need to get with Mud to lay out some definite answers to what genres are allowed and not allowed.
And we need to get with him to lay out more specific rules on language(foul, not nationality) Things like this...
I mean, we are a friendly and wonderful community, of friends... We are like a family.. We don't always get along, or agree with each other, but we stick by each other, and even collaborate on tunes together.. it's wonderful.. And I really want to make sure we don't lose that... I think that we could end up with this site overrun with MC Screwdriver, and G-honey with crappy generic rythms and rappin about shootin' m' ho.. We don't want that... And if we get hooked up on Myspace, without having guidelines laid out and specifics, we are opening the site up for that... We already get that every now and then, think of what Myspace could bring.. EEEeeek!
So, until we get Mud's words, I think Upsizing is best left as an idea...
I have to say again, That where I think it would be nice to grow this community, I think we need Mud to get more involved in this, this is his site, I mean, I tell people I meet who are into music, and recording, about the site.. But I am not about to start slapping stickers with Bandamp on it around town.. simply because:
1. It's not my site, and I don't have the authority to do so.
2. I don't think we want to get it so big it's hard to control and enjoy.
3. We need to get with Mud to lay out some definite answers to what genres are allowed and not allowed.
And we need to get with him to lay out more specific rules on language(foul, not nationality) Things like this...
I mean, we are a friendly and wonderful community, of friends... We are like a family.. We don't always get along, or agree with each other, but we stick by each other, and even collaborate on tunes together.. it's wonderful.. And I really want to make sure we don't lose that... I think that we could end up with this site overrun with MC Screwdriver, and G-honey with crappy generic rythms and rappin about shootin' m' ho.. We don't want that... And if we get hooked up on Myspace, without having guidelines laid out and specifics, we are opening the site up for that... We already get that every now and then, think of what Myspace could bring.. EEEeeek!
So, until we get Mud's words, I think Upsizing is best left as an idea...
Yes I agree here about going through mud with this. Also, I think this site needs a bit of growth, because the battle prizes don't fund themselves.
The points you made, Jimk, especially in that last paragraph, is what I love about bandamp. That's why I'd like to discuss the topic of the bandamp myspace, instead of going on there posting about the site. Also, I think that if we clearly state what we're about and what we don't want in the site, then there's chances that we will find some people that can join that will have a positive input on the site.
"I tell people I meet who are into music, and recording, about the site.. But I am not about to start slapping stickers with Bandamp on it around town."
I know what you're saying here, and I agree that we should be careful how we advertise, but I'm not saying we're just going to go, hey, here's a cool site called bandamp, sign up and do whatever you like... I think if we do end up using this, it'll be controlled by either mud, as it is his site, or someone who cares about this site, like jim here, with the consent of mud.
So, I do want to be cautious about what we do on there, but I do think a bit of controlled promotion wouldn't hurt.
The points you made, Jimk, especially in that last paragraph, is what I love about bandamp. That's why I'd like to discuss the topic of the bandamp myspace, instead of going on there posting about the site. Also, I think that if we clearly state what we're about and what we don't want in the site, then there's chances that we will find some people that can join that will have a positive input on the site.
"I tell people I meet who are into music, and recording, about the site.. But I am not about to start slapping stickers with Bandamp on it around town."
I know what you're saying here, and I agree that we should be careful how we advertise, but I'm not saying we're just going to go, hey, here's a cool site called bandamp, sign up and do whatever you like... I think if we do end up using this, it'll be controlled by either mud, as it is his site, or someone who cares about this site, like jim here, with the consent of mud.
So, I do want to be cautious about what we do on there, but I do think a bit of controlled promotion wouldn't hurt.
| well.. |
Yeah... I agree some more people would be great... I am all for it.... As for the prizes, well, until the battles get fixed, prizes are non-existent right now anyway... And this site is free, and non-profit... The prizes are funded by a foundation blah blah blah something I have no real idea exactly of how and why... but that's the story...
Anyway....
HEY MUD!?!?!?! WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?!?!
JimK
Anyway....
HEY MUD!?!?!?! WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?!?!
JimK
Well, while just looking around the site, soaking up the previous goings on, I was under the assumption that the prizes were paid for by mud, so, am I wrong about that? Also, in the 'upsizing' thread there was talk that with the go ahead to upsize bandamp, there should be the ability to make some profit, through online music stores etc.
And there has been a few people asking "what is the name of the myspace page?" I don't know much about myspace, Oldies created it, but I think the link is this right here:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=152059783
I may be wrong, so, tell me if it's not right...
Anyways, I don't want this site to go to wreck and ruin because of it, so, I think we now just wait for mud...
WB
And there has been a few people asking "what is the name of the myspace page?" I don't know much about myspace, Oldies created it, but I think the link is this right here:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=152059783
I may be wrong, so, tell me if it's not right...
Anyways, I don't want this site to go to wreck and ruin because of it, so, I think we now just wait for mud...
WB
Listen...one more time: Bandamp is unique because of its obscurity. This obscurity has the effect of ensuring that more serious musicians will find us. There's a load of posers out there who have little commitment to growth...they are reeking of narcissism and they tend to provide a destructive element to what we have here; (in fact we have come together as a community several times within the past year to negatively reinforce some undesirable behavior from "cruisers and trollers" on the site as well.). I mean no disrespect but I think it is a bit presumptive for new-comers to take it upon themselves to decide the site needs growth, then set about the task of promoting it. Spend some time getting to know the site first. Alternatively.....there are PLENTY of sites out there that are "blockbusters" (Garageband.com, among others) if that's what you want (personally I find them to be completely impersonal with no sense of community. Furthermore, it is impossible to establish friendships as we have here on those aforementioned sites). Please chill, hang on, and spend some time getting to know the site first. (again, it's not all about battles and prizes).
battlecat wrote…
Listen...one more time: Bandamp is unique because of its obscurity. This obscurity has the effect of ensuring that more serious musicians will find us. There's a load of posers out there who have little commitment to growth...they are reeking of narcissism and they tend to provide a destructive element to what we have here; (in fact we have come together as a community several times within the past year to negatively reinforce some undesirable behavior from "cruisers and trollers" on the site as well.). I mean no disrespect but I think it is a bit presumptive for new-comers to take it upon themselves to decide the site needs growth, then set about the task of promoting it. Spend some time getting to know the site first. Alternatively.....there are PLENTY of sites out there that are "blockbusters" (Garageband.com, among others) if that's what you want (personally I find them to be completely impersonal with no sense of community. Furthermore, it is impossible to establish friendships as we have here on those aforementioned sites). Please chill, hang on, and spend some time getting to know the site first. (again, it's not all about battles and prizes).
Ok, maybe I'll try and explain a bit better...
I don't want to take the personality and the uniqueness from the site, that's the part that makes it so good. As for bringing 'posers' into bandamp, if we treat the myspace account right, that shouldn't happen, and the few who do will probably get the picture they're not wanted and won't bother sticking round.
As for 'new-comers to take it upon themselves to decide the site needs growth', this came about on another thread discussing the growth of the site, by more experienced members, with suggestions that this site could use a bit of growth. So, you see I pitched the idea of myspace there, which was taken up by oldies, so it was a suggestion that was made by people who do care about the site, and, when this myspace account came into being, I didn't have in mind the aim to recruit a bunch of dunces to make crap music, I wanted to catch the attention of other musicians that may be short on experience, and need something like bandamp to learn how to grow as musicians, and maybe people who have that experience, and know stuff that some of us don't, to bring another level to the site, and to continue to grow as a community of musicians and friends.
Furthermore, I have spent a fair amount of time since I joined, looking around the site and getting a sense of community, so I consider the community a thing to protect with something like this, so that's why it needs careful planning and consent.
And the big music sites out there, maybe someone will see bandamp and think that bandamp has something that the others don't, and that's what brings us here, there's probably heaps of people who don't know about this site, but it's exactly what they're looking for.
And I know that what makes this site unique is not the battles or prizes, but the comments and advice, I haven't been around long enough to see the battles in full swing, but if the prizes are being paid for, then I'll have to agree, maybe this isn't necessary, but I'm not the only one who wants this site to progress and grow, let's just leave this now until mud has his say, after all, nothing has happened to the page since it was registered...
| re: Leave the Amp alone |
BasketCase wrote…
Theres this saying........IF IT'S NOT BROKEN WHY FIX IT? enough said... :scream:
I've been thinking...
Maybe all you guys are right and I just made a 'spur of the moment' decision that wasn't right at all. I'm all for the betterment of the site, and if that means keeping myspace out of it, for fear of hooligans, then so be it.
Well... the account is there, dunno what'll happen to it...
No interest in it myself personally...Long Live BandAMP!
| Ay! |
That mySpace space is empty, and it isn't even a name or is 152059783 some kind of code?
I do find it a bit rude putting muds name there, because that is not muds page!
It has been said somewhere in this thread that if you set the page up properly the 'right' people will understand and anything 'undesirable' to what the site is all about will either be clever enough to move on to the next link or just not find it if they come in! Or do you sincerely envisage hoards of morons and "MC Screwdriver, and G-honey with crappy generic rythms and rappin about shootin' m' ho..
" types taking over the site?
Does everyone feel so powerless?
Though I fully agree that mud should have the last say as to what happens to the bandAmp name and product, as in his idea, there is still no reason I see why a mySpace page could not be used to promote the music made by the members of bandAmp.
If it is something organized by the members themselves, that is an achievement in it's self, for the members as well as for mud & co!
Why don't you get two people to look after it, in the same way that PX and JimK moderate?
You could even use it as an incentive to make good collaborations : "And the winner this month gets to post their song on 'myBandAmpSpace'"!
Ha! I just made that up for a laugh Ha!
It could be maintained by the members and be associated with bandAmp.com, but it would be a separate 'space'. And in any case, how much promoting of such a site would there be in reality? I hear PX say "5 hours a day" if you really want to get things up and running!
It's just a page to play with. You can do loads with the HTML!
I do find it a bit rude putting muds name there, because that is not muds page!
It has been said somewhere in this thread that if you set the page up properly the 'right' people will understand and anything 'undesirable' to what the site is all about will either be clever enough to move on to the next link or just not find it if they come in! Or do you sincerely envisage hoards of morons and "MC Screwdriver, and G-honey with crappy generic rythms and rappin about shootin' m' ho..
" types taking over the site?Does everyone feel so powerless?
Though I fully agree that mud should have the last say as to what happens to the bandAmp name and product, as in his idea, there is still no reason I see why a mySpace page could not be used to promote the music made by the members of bandAmp.
If it is something organized by the members themselves, that is an achievement in it's self, for the members as well as for mud & co!
Why don't you get two people to look after it, in the same way that PX and JimK moderate?
You could even use it as an incentive to make good collaborations : "And the winner this month gets to post their song on 'myBandAmpSpace'"!
Ha! I just made that up for a laugh Ha!
It could be maintained by the members and be associated with bandAmp.com, but it would be a separate 'space'. And in any case, how much promoting of such a site would there be in reality? I hear PX say "5 hours a day" if you really want to get things up and running!
It's just a page to play with. You can do loads with the HTML!
| Well, kings... |
'That mySpace space is empty, and it isn't even a name or is 152059783 some kind of code?'
Haha, I have never used myspace, only to look at bands etc. so I have no idea what the name/code for the site is all about...
'I do find it a bit rude putting muds name there, because that is not muds page!'
I know what you mean, but I didn't go through the setup, and that was oldies part, and I think he did it to show that it was mud who should have the final say in this.
I like your idea for putting the best collaborations on the page, and, if you guys, and mud want to agree to that, then maybe, oldies and I could give it a shot, I mean, I don't know much about the site, but I'd be willing to learn.
Cheers!
WB
Haha, I have never used myspace, only to look at bands etc. so I have no idea what the name/code for the site is all about...
'I do find it a bit rude putting muds name there, because that is not muds page!'
I know what you mean, but I didn't go through the setup, and that was oldies part, and I think he did it to show that it was mud who should have the final say in this.
I like your idea for putting the best collaborations on the page, and, if you guys, and mud want to agree to that, then maybe, oldies and I could give it a shot, I mean, I don't know much about the site, but I'd be willing to learn.
Cheers!
WB
Well if Oldies understands how to keep the page and get it to look good with the HTML and both of you know what bandAmp is all about then the members of bandAmp have a collective mySpace!
If you were to put your own Sudden Sunset as the song that comes up first the people visiting will immediately know where they are at!
Just to be on the safe side the opening sentence on the page could be :
"bandAmp, a small quaint community of hill-billys with shotguns who love playing banjos, going yee-haa and spitting!"
Then I'm sure we wont get bothered by any 'ho pimpers' and alike!
If you were to put your own Sudden Sunset as the song that comes up first the people visiting will immediately know where they are at!
Just to be on the safe side the opening sentence on the page could be :
"bandAmp, a small quaint community of hill-billys with shotguns who love playing banjos, going yee-haa and spitting!"
Then I'm sure we wont get bothered by any 'ho pimpers' and alike!
| legality |
This website was created by Mud, and he holds all rights to it. If you post a myspace page representing Mud/Bandamp without his permission you could be in trouble legally. I was checking on this yesterday with a friend of mine who does nothing but websites and server developments for businesses in the area. He says now he has to have lawyers draw up each and everything, because there are so many lawsuits involving the internet now.
I doubt Mud would do that, but who knows, he may hate myspace for all we know. It would probably be better to get with Mud first and work it out, or just make your own page, and put a link to Bandamp,
Mud could then either give permission for a Bandamp myspace page, or build his own myspace page I'm sure that if Mud can build this website, he could obviously put a myspace page together if he wanted to. Just my thoughts though, as I'm only a user and have no rights to speak for the website developer.
I doubt Mud would do that, but who knows, he may hate myspace for all we know. It would probably be better to get with Mud first and work it out, or just make your own page, and put a link to Bandamp,
Mud could then either give permission for a Bandamp myspace page, or build his own myspace page I'm sure that if Mud can build this website, he could obviously put a myspace page together if he wanted to. Just my thoughts though, as I'm only a user and have no rights to speak for the website developer.
| re: legality |
Wow, that is interesting, the world is a great big slice of heaven for lawyers nowdays so I'd better pay attention or I'll be put away for life.
I'll change the name on the myspace page, and, if mud hates myspace, then there's always kings's idea of putting some collabs on there (with permission first, of course
), just something like, hi, listen to these talented people! and leave it there.
Is that ok???
WB
so I'd better pay attention or I'll be put away for life.I'll change the name on the myspace page, and, if mud hates myspace, then there's always kings's idea of putting some collabs on there (with permission first, of course
), just something like, hi, listen to these talented people! and leave it there.Is that ok???
WB
ok I don't like myspace... the fact that I couldn't add mybandampspace as a friend was the last drop to convince me to quit investing any energy in that sorry excuse for an online latrine...
So you have the right to do as you please with the accounts you have created, and admittedly I have (had) several myself, but since my personal record stands at 2 gained friends in 5 3+ hrs of chatting and losing 1 for uncertain reasons, I have decided to continue buy-cutting myspace as I have before deciding to give it another shot a few months ago.
This buy-cut also means I will not tolerate uploads to the myspace-bandamp related sites featuring any of my input what way whatsoever. Also I will not allow a mentioning of my nickname or a URL to my site on the accounts home pages.
I will report any violation to the myspace administrators and the consequences will be yours to deal with.
I just had to say that...
regards,
PX
So you have the right to do as you please with the accounts you have created, and admittedly I have (had) several myself, but since my personal record stands at 2 gained friends in 5 3+ hrs of chatting and losing 1 for uncertain reasons, I have decided to continue buy-cutting myspace as I have before deciding to give it another shot a few months ago.
This buy-cut also means I will not tolerate uploads to the myspace-bandamp related sites featuring any of my input what way whatsoever. Also I will not allow a mentioning of my nickname or a URL to my site on the accounts home pages.
I will report any violation to the myspace administrators and the consequences will be yours to deal with.
I just had to say that...
regards,
PX
Well, sorry I have remained silent for so long.
I would really like to apologize for going right ahead and making that page. That was a mistake. Again, sorry.
The idea was thrown out and for some reason I grabbed it a ran. The idea is still out there, and I'm perfectly willing to go either way with it; the slightest word from mud and it is gone forever. And until I do hear from him, it will remain as it is now, empty. It is, after all, totally up to him. I think he will certainly listen to all of our concerns.
I meant no offense to mud in using his name. I meant to imply that if this project were to get off the ground, it would be fully under his direction.
I would really like to apologize for going right ahead and making that page. That was a mistake. Again, sorry.
The idea was thrown out and for some reason I grabbed it a ran. The idea is still out there, and I'm perfectly willing to go either way with it; the slightest word from mud and it is gone forever. And until I do hear from him, it will remain as it is now, empty. It is, after all, totally up to him. I think he will certainly listen to all of our concerns.
I meant no offense to mud in using his name. I meant to imply that if this project were to get off the ground, it would be fully under his direction.
Hey no probs. I have emailed mud and hopefully he will make his statements anytime soon. I forgot to mention that so let's just await the webmaster's input.
PuppetXeno wrote…
ok I don't like myspace... the fact that I couldn't add mybandampspace as a friend was the last drop to convince me to quit investing any energy in that sorry excuse for an online latrine...
So you have the right to do as you please with the accounts you have created, and admittedly I have (had) several myself, but since my personal record stands at 2 gained friends in 5 3+ hrs of chatting and losing 1 for uncertain reasons, I have decided to continue buy-cutting myspace as I have before deciding to give it another shot a few months ago.
This buy-cut also means I will not tolerate uploads to the myspace-bandamp related sites featuring any of my input what way whatsoever. Also I will not allow a mentioning of my nickname or a URL to my site on the accounts home pages.
I will report any violation to the myspace administrators and the consequences will be yours to deal with.
I just had to say that...
regards,
PX
The page shall stay blank. Maybe it could be a rule in the book of bandamp.
I'm not sorry for opening a page, these kind of things are possible these days so i see no harm in showing what is possible.
As usual I respect PX view, and as he knows all too well himself the accounts can be deleted in seconds.
I can understand how people can find the whole mySpace thing a horrendous place, but the other side of this coin is that some people would like to find recognition for their work and I'm afraid to say that If someone has a desire and the vision to grow then they must step on a band wagon at some time, otherwise they just sit there playing at home!
This little exercise is at least a good indication as to where the collective bandAmp mind is. Some members see the need to grow, others like it as it is, some members know the best way forwards, others are still trying to find that way!
About the page I created, just say the word (and a good reason) and I'll delete it! no probs!
As usual I respect PX view, and as he knows all too well himself the accounts can be deleted in seconds.
I can understand how people can find the whole mySpace thing a horrendous place, but the other side of this coin is that some people would like to find recognition for their work and I'm afraid to say that If someone has a desire and the vision to grow then they must step on a band wagon at some time, otherwise they just sit there playing at home!
This little exercise is at least a good indication as to where the collective bandAmp mind is. Some members see the need to grow, others like it as it is, some members know the best way forwards, others are still trying to find that way!
About the page I created, just say the word (and a good reason) and I'll delete it! no probs!
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