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#1December 10th, 2005 · 04:10 AM
74 threads / 5 songs
441 posts
United States of America
Best of BandAMP *suggestions*
I was just thinking it would be really cool to have a list of all the best *threads* on bandamp... I'm not talking about *songs* here, just posts about Music Theory, or perhaps Lessons, or anything else that might be *very* interesting to everyone. This would be a kind of *gateway* into BandAMP... Would be listed on our homepage.

When you suggest a page, give me the URL, in this format: /Recording/6181.html
#2December 10th, 2005 · 04:13 AM
74 threads / 5 songs
441 posts
United States of America
Also, I think the useful posts should be tagged...

So like we'd have categories, like this:

"Lessons" = Array ( "Guitar","Bass", "Drums", "Piano", "ect." )
"Music Theory" = Array ( "Melody", "Rhythm" "Music Theory", "ect." )
"ect." = Array (  )


Would also be nice to get suggestions on these new sections...
#3December 10th, 2005 · 12:22 PM
190 threads / 27 songs
2,848 posts
Germany
Equipment would be nice
#4December 10th, 2005 · 12:23 PM
190 threads / 27 songs
2,848 posts
Germany
Lyrics, Techniques (Lessons?)
#5December 12th, 2005 · 08:01 AM
74 threads / 5 songs
441 posts
United States of America
Yeah, I think lyrics should be part of the songs... Like you should be asked to submit your lyrics, when you're submitting your song. Also tabs would be a nice thing to have for people to provide. But yeah, a lessons forum where people could discuss how to write music and stuff would be nice.
#6January 6th, 2006 · 07:15 PM
8 posts
Sweden
Possibility to delete your songs
As a new member of the BandAMP, I need to ask about deleting your own music on this site. Before I download any of my music here, I'd need to know how to take them away later if I don't feel like having it here anymore? I didn't see any possibility for that yet. Could that be fixed soon?

I'd also want to ask about the legality of publishing music for free. What if some of the artists belong to a royalty society? As I'm understood, you don't pay any royaltes for the music that is published on this website. Hope some of the administrators can give an answer.
#7January 7th, 2006 · 11:02 PM
74 threads / 5 songs
441 posts
United States of America
You can delete any of your songs which have not competed in a Battle. Which means you'd have to 1st upload a song, then submit it to a battle, then actually finish the battle before you cannot delete the song. The option to delete the song is right next to the song name once you've uploaded it... Dunno why there would be an option to delete if you didnt have a song to delete... 
#8January 7th, 2006 · 11:38 PM
42 threads / 1 songs
556 posts
United States of America
My suggestion for the best of Bandamp would be ;
https://forum.bandamp.org/The_Pit/7119.html

The Church of Bandamp. It hasn't been posted on in a while, and I was hoping it could be revived again.

All Hail Ampism!!!!!!
#9January 11th, 2006 · 12:44 PM
8 posts
Sweden
Independence for the artists
mud wrote…
You can delete any of your songs which have not competed in a Battle. Which means you'd have to 1st upload a song, then submit it to a battle, then actually finish the battle before you cannot delete the song. The option to delete the song is right next to the song name once you've uploaded it... Dunno why there would be an option to delete if you didnt have a song to delete...  :D

That's why I wanted to ask before uploading anything. Actually, my both questions were linked together. You just didn't answer for the 2nd one. Every artist should have right to take away his material whenever he wants. That would be a good thing for the whole website.
Becouse: when an independent artist makes a deal with a record company, or participates to a Royalty Society, his music becomes an illegal material on your website, becouse you seem not to pay any royalties for the artists.
So I'm giving you a good counsel: fix soon the possibility that the owners of their music can take away their own material whenever they want. As soon as it's fixed, I will share my music here. And take it away, when I achieve my goal in the music biz. If possible, could you leave an e-mail when it's put right?!  Cheers!
#10January 11th, 2006 · 04:28 PM
121 threads / 56 songs
3,098 posts
Netherlands
re: Independence for the artists
BassBoy wrote…
mud wrote…
You can delete any of your songs which have not competed in a Battle. Which means you'd have to 1st upload a song, then submit it to a battle, then actually finish the battle before you cannot delete the song. The option to delete the song is right next to the song name once you've uploaded it... Dunno why there would be an option to delete if you didnt have a song to delete...  :D

That's why I wanted to ask before uploading anything. Actually, my both questions were linked together. You just didn't answer for the 2nd one. Every artist should have right to take away his material whenever he wants. That would be a good thing for the whole website.
Becouse: when an independent artist makes a deal with a record company, or participates to a Royalty Society, his music becomes an illegal material on your website, becouse you seem not to pay any royalties for the artists.
So I'm giving you a good counsel: fix soon the possibility that the owners of their music can take away their own material whenever they want. As soon as it's fixed, I will share my music here. And take it away, when I achieve my goal in the music biz. If possible, could you leave an e-mail when it's put right?!  Cheers!

I'm personally not really getting the fuss, do you really think that any record company will trip and fall over a demo version being on here till the end of one month, or that it would impossible, in the unlikely event of occurance, to simply ask the admin to delete the song for you would you feel you'd get in trouble?
plus, don't you think it would be a very wise decision to keep the end-say on your own work's copyrights in your own hands? I don't think any label would be too fussy about it. please, lighten up! go out there on the forum and show us what you are about, instead of acting out all paranoid 'n stuff.
#11January 14th, 2006 · 06:08 PM
8 posts
Sweden
re: Independence for the artists
I know this website is properly not a professional one, but I didn’t expect such ignorance. That’s why I addressed my comment to the admin, ’couse I’d think they would give more decent answers. The founders of this website need to be aware of the fact, that on this website they are sharing music and are NOT paying any royalties to the artists. Artists usually own right to their own music. When they belong to a royalty society, they give their rights to watch over the USE of their own material. Artists usually make the contracts with the royalty companies very preferably, becouse it is difficult to control alone the use of their music in all over the world. Instead the royalty companies make lot of co-operation with all the companies all over the world. So, how do the admins of this website know that the artists haven’t made the royalty contract?

I give an example:
I belong to a royalty society. I make a new song. Before I announce it to the society, I want to put it on the BandAmp website to see, what do the listeners think about it. After having some comments I announce it to the society. At that point the BandAmp need to start paying me royalties from each time someone listens to it. If I decide to fair, I don’t tell to the society that there is a website that doen’t pay me anything. Instead, I take off my song. First of all, doesn’t everybody think the artist should have ALL the rights to decide how long his/her song will be heard for free?! Second, it is definetely good for the founders of this website, that artist’s rights are in order.

Now, I very much hope the admin will give me his/her answer of how this is carried through on the BandAmp website. I would be happy to hear the musician’s thoughts about this issue as well, but only the relevant-ones. Windbags rather pick some other forums to waste the time of those who likes the amateur talk.
#12January 14th, 2006 · 06:31 PM
117 threads / 55 songs
1,540 posts
Chile
Man, if you post some song here, you must consider all the benefits and the "problems" it carries.
If you are that paranoid, well, just don't upload anything, but if you upload something you must fit to rules, and don't be asking for new rules just for you.
Hope to listen something from you, to see if you are that good to be consider in a Royalty Society.

      > Iszil

PS: Hope didn't sound rude with what I said.
#13January 14th, 2006 · 07:08 PM
121 threads / 56 songs
3,098 posts
Netherlands
re: re: Independence for the artists
BassBoy wrote…
So, how do the admins of this website know that the artists haven’t made the royalty contract?

To be honest, BandAMP isn't a big enough fish for copyright corps to even remotely care about it... But incase one of those would feel indulged to waste money on a court case, the artists themselves would have kept the BandAMP owner in ignorance, hence him would befall no blame. After that, what copyright corp would have the sense of mind to sue their own artists??*

Simple, isn't it?

Now I hope that will answer your question. You need to think more lateral... see the big picture, not stare yourself blind on the black and white rules, coz in (legal!) reality there are quite some grey areas... I hope you understand.


*... for that reason, that is
#14January 15th, 2006 · 01:01 AM
121 threads / 56 songs
3,098 posts
Netherlands
However, I honestly thought that it was possible to delete a song AFTER it had completed a battle, but this doesn't seem to be the case right now.

Seems like a flaw. It's true for a fact that the artist is the eventual holder of the copyrights, not BandAMP. The artists only allow BandAMP to put the song online for free download until the artist cancels that fiat.

A slight oversight perhaps, nothing serious to fix indeed, I take?
#15January 15th, 2006 · 02:10 AM
42 threads / 1 songs
556 posts
United States of America
Think about it;
when you upload a song, you are willingly exposing it to public use. You know this perfectly well, and you can track how much it is listened to and downloaded.
So.
In all effects, even if you do have a copyright (yeah right, come on let's think realistically, lol) there is nothing that stops you from letting people listen to your music for free.
#16January 15th, 2006 · 10:55 AM
121 threads / 56 songs
3,098 posts
Netherlands
Oldies, once you have produced an original piece of work, whether it is music, writing, or a picture that you take at the beach, you automatically own the copyrights to that work. No need to register it anywhere...

There is no way that you can be disowned of these copyrights in any way. When you sign to a label or so, you are granting a license for distribution which is tied to terms in a contract. But you will always maintain the copyrights...

Copyright societies are there to keep track of these rights and see to it that original owner of the work is getting a rightful share of any winnings would there be made any through the use of this work (p.e. via sales, media broadcast). This is a complex and costly process (keeping track) so it only makes sense to actually join a copyright society when you are actually being distributed. But, as said, the original artist will ALWAYS be in final say of their work... And if any other party would feel otherwise, the copyright society will be there to back up (or speak / take action for) the artist by threatening with law suits... and the like.

So, if a song, submitted to this site, would also be released on a commercially available album, then it would be for the artist to decide whether or not he wants it available for free download at this site, too. Now, for instance, I do have two songs on here which you can also buy on an album, but I don't really mind about having them here aswell. That is MY OWN choice... BandAMP doesn't have to pay me any royalties because I have songs on here which are also commercially available. I granted a license of free distribution to BandAMP, and I am (or in fact: should be) in full control of withdrawing this grant. Those are the terms I agreed with when I first joined this site I believe?

However, as it turns out, "Wallcrack" was in a battle and if I wanted to (and I don't want to btw), I could not delete that song right away. And THAT isn't right! And I take it that this is only a minor thing for mud to solve, he could easily change the code so that it will be possible for original copyright owners to delete their work... and in fact, they should be able to delete their work at any time, even when a song is in the battle at that moment.

When an artist decides to upload his works he only allows BandAMP to have it on here for people to listen to and download it for as long as the artist wants it to be, but he doesn't actually give the song away. That is legally not even possible... So if an artist would then be obstructed in taking the song down, then that's where an actual copyright problem occurs and this should be dealt with accordingly. In this case, for mud to change the code... But if there would be any serious loss of winnings when an artist would be unable to timely take a song down when he has the right to, because it would for instance involve Michael Jacksons uploading a preview to his latest single on here, then we're talking royalty issues... However, no sane copyright society in the world would waste money on a court case when there's only peanuts involved. I think you should really understand that difference...

Another thing, Oldies, if you feel you have to say something about such a delicate subject, I really suggest doing some thorough research before you speak up. I've studied writing and copyright laws were part of the course, so that's why I know a few things about it. However, there are literally shelves full of books written on this subject and if it were at all an easy to understand matter... JBP and Swordfish and I wouldn't have had this skype conference till 3:00 AM last... umm this morning

I think that oughta says it all
#17January 15th, 2006 · 01:59 PM
29 threads / 14 songs
355 posts
Poland
I agree, it does say it all. Thank you Puppet. All that's there 4 us to do is look forward to MUD's reply.

Mud?
#18January 16th, 2006 · 09:35 PM
42 threads / 1 songs
556 posts
United States of America
Oh alright sorry I didn't know about the copyrights, but I do know a little about contracts and such and that it is perfectly legal what Mud is doing, but yes you should be able to remove songs at anytime, which I'm sure he can and can allow.  Which he probably should, because Bassboy is right, there could eventually be legal problems if someone does want to do so. It's quite clear that you are giving up your music for public listening and download if you post it on the site, so there can't be any trouble with that, but there needs to be the option to take that away at any time, whether it was in a battle or not, because it is still your music and you need to be able to do what you like with it. Not that this problem is ever going to arise with me if I ever do get some music up here 
#19January 18th, 2006 · 04:58 AM
14 threads / 12 songs
76 posts
Indonesia
i surely agree
FYI, me n my friend are working on a commercial album right now, but i also have couple of songs in Bandamp.com. So, i'm so agree with u PuppetXeno...we're here because we're all love music. Music is my objectives in live. 
#20January 18th, 2006 · 01:45 PM
8 posts
Sweden
"the original artist will ALWAYS.."
PuppetXeno wrote…
Oldies, once you have produced an original piece of work, whether it is music, writing, or a picture that you take at the beach, you automatically own the copyrights to that work. No need to register it anywhere...

There is no way that you can be disowned of these copyrights in any way. When you sign to a label or so, you are granting a license for distribution which is tied to terms in a contract. But you will always maintain the copyrights...

Copyright societies are there to keep track of these rights and see to it that original owner of the work is getting a rightful share of any winnings would there be made any through the use of this work (p.e. via sales, media broadcast). This is a complex and costly process (keeping track) so it only makes sense to actually join a copyright society when you are actually being distributed. But, as said, the original artist will ALWAYS be in final say of their work... And if any other party would feel otherwise, the copyright society will be there to back up (or speak / take action for) the artist by threatening with law suits... and the like.

So, if a song, submitted to this site, would also be released on a commercially available album, then it would be for the artist to decide whether or not he wants it available for free download at this site, too. Now, for instance, I do have two songs on here which you can also buy on an album, but I don't really mind about having them here aswell. That is MY OWN choice... BandAMP doesn't have to pay me any royalties because I have songs on here which are also commercially available. I granted a license of free distribution to BandAMP, and I am (or in fact: should be) in full control of withdrawing this grant. Those are the terms I agreed with when I first joined this site I believe?

However, as it turns out, "Wallcrack" was in a battle and if I wanted to (and I don't want to btw), I could not delete that song right away. And THAT isn't right! And I take it that this is only a minor thing for mud to solve, he could easily change the code so that it will be possible for original copyright owners to delete their work... and in fact, they should be able to delete their work at any time, even when a song is in the battle at that moment.

When an artist decides to upload his works he only allows BandAMP to have it on here for people to listen to and download it for as long as the artist wants it to be, but he doesn't actually give the song away. That is legally not even possible... So if an artist would then be obstructed in taking the song down, then that's where an actual copyright problem occurs and this should be dealt with accordingly. In this case, for mud to change the code... But if there would be any serious loss of winnings when an artist would be unable to timely take a song down when he has the right to, because it would for instance involve Michael Jacksons uploading a preview to his latest single on here, then we're talking royalty issues... However, no sane copyright society in the world would waste money on a court case when there's only peanuts involved. I think you should really understand that difference...

Another thing, Oldies, if you feel you have to say something about such a delicate subject, I really suggest doing some thorough research before you speak up. I've studied writing and copyright laws were part of the course, so that's why I know a few things about it. However, there are literally shelves full of books written on this subject and if it were at all an easy to understand matter... JBP and Swordfish and I wouldn't have had this skype conference till 3:00 AM last... umm this morning

I think that oughta says it all ;)


Thanks, PuppetXeno, for getting my point and clearing it up. In the line
"the original artist will ALWAYS be in final say of their work."
it is all said.

Just wondering this "mud's" lurking behind the silence.
#21January 20th, 2006 · 10:06 PM
117 threads / 55 songs
1,540 posts
Chile
Personal Messages!
Mud, I think you should restore the system that e-mailed you when you get a PM.
Please, because now nobody checks their My Home page very often.

      > Iszil
#22January 26th, 2006 · 06:37 PM
8 posts
Sweden
Hello . . .
#23January 28th, 2006 · 08:06 PM
8 posts
Sweden
PuppetXeno wrote…
Oldies, once you have produced an original piece of work, whether it is music, writing, or a picture that you take at the beach, you automatically own the copyrights to that work. No need to register it anywhere...

There is no way that you can be disowned of these copyrights in any way. When you sign to a label or so, you are granting a license for distribution which is tied to terms in a contract. But you will always maintain the copyrights...

Copyright societies are there to keep track of these rights and see to it that original owner of the work is getting a rightful share of any winnings would there be made any through the use of this work (p.e. via sales, media broadcast). This is a complex and costly process (keeping track) so it only makes sense to actually join a copyright society when you are actually being distributed. But, as said, the original artist will ALWAYS be in final say of their work... And if any other party would feel otherwise, the copyright society will be there to back up (or speak / take action for) the artist by threatening with law suits... and the like.

So, if a song, submitted to this site, would also be released on a commercially available album, then it would be for the artist to decide whether or not he wants it available for free download at this site, too. Now, for instance, I do have two songs on here which you can also buy on an album, but I don't really mind about having them here aswell. That is MY OWN choice... BandAMP doesn't have to pay me any royalties because I have songs on here which are also commercially available. I granted a license of free distribution to BandAMP, and I am (or in fact: should be) in full control of withdrawing this grant. Those are the terms I agreed with when I first joined this site I believe?

However, as it turns out, "Wallcrack" was in a battle and if I wanted to (and I don't want to btw), I could not delete that song right away. And THAT isn't right! And I take it that this is only a minor thing for mud to solve, he could easily change the code so that it will be possible for original copyright owners to delete their work... and in fact, they should be able to delete their work at any time, even when a song is in the battle at that moment.

When an artist decides to upload his works he only allows BandAMP to have it on here for people to listen to and download it for as long as the artist wants it to be, but he doesn't actually give the song away. That is legally not even possible... So if an artist would then be obstructed in taking the song down, then that's where an actual copyright problem occurs and this should be dealt with accordingly. In this case, for mud to change the code... But if there would be any serious loss of winnings when an artist would be unable to timely take a song down when he has the right to, because it would for instance involve Michael Jacksons uploading a preview to his latest single on here, then we're talking royalty issues... However, no sane copyright society in the world would waste money on a court case when there's only peanuts involved. I think you should really understand that difference...

Another thing, Oldies, if you feel you have to say something about such a delicate subject, I really suggest doing some thorough research before you speak up. I've studied writing and copyright laws were part of the course, so that's why I know a few things about it. However, there are literally shelves full of books written on this subject and if it were at all an easy to understand matter... JBP and Swordfish and I wouldn't have had this skype conference till 3:00 AM last... umm this morning

I think that oughta says it all ;)

Hi guys,

doesn't it tell you something, when having a great discussion about a serious subject the admin lurks afraid in silence (is this a common way on this website to handle the, perhaps, undesirable situation?)? There's is a well-grounded problem on this website that threats every artist's rights, and that should, indeed, be taken seriously.

I am still waiting the decent answer, or decent ACTS to correct the mistake. Every artist needs his rights to deside how long his music is listened for free. So we are still waiting. -
#24January 28th, 2006 · 11:34 PM
121 threads / 56 songs
3,098 posts
Netherlands
now, mud is a very busy person with other projects and all, so you have to give him some time to get back at this.

he trusts that this site is just going about it's business so he doesn't attend to it when he's working on his other things, and he's probably pretty unaware of this discussion.

for a fact, he has posted an explanation to his absence earlier this month: https://forum.bandamp.org/Feedback/15453.html

so, a little patience is required...

most of the people here are good guys after all...
#25February 4th, 2006 · 10:16 PM
160 threads / 88 songs
1,666 posts
United States of America
mud wrote…
You can delete any of your songs which have not competed in a Battle. Which means you'd have to 1st upload a song, then submit it to a battle, then actually finish the battle before you cannot delete the song. The option to delete the song is right next to the song name once you've uploaded it... Dunno why there would be an option to delete if you didnt have a song to delete...  :D

Quite interesting...  I would be interested in understanding why you cannot delete them after the battle is over....
              JimK
#26February 10th, 2006 · 12:56 AM
15 threads / 11 songs
147 posts
United States of America
Why do all good posts come to a bitter but trying end?
The subject of copywrite and all has never been an issue. I would hope that noone would be like that. But look at other sites.....myspace has tons of signed artist on it. No problems there. And its free also. Maybe you should do a little more research my friend. Because I am one of the founders of this site.
#27February 10th, 2006 · 06:45 AM
121 threads / 56 songs
3,098 posts
Netherlands
nunly81 wrote…
Why do all good posts come to a bitter but trying end?
The subject of copywrite and all has never been an issue. I would hope that noone would be like that. But look at other sites.....myspace has tons of signed artist on it. No problems there. And its free also. Maybe you should do a little more research my friend. Because I am one of the founders of this site.

Well, congratulations on such a lovely site,

but the problem is this, and ONLY this: the artists should be able to take their songs off this site at ANY time, at THEIR convenience.

It's in the terms. Just read my post earlier in the thread, and here: https://forum.bandamp.org/Questions/15621.html

Myspace (and lots of other less nice music upload sites) is different because one IS capable of taking songs down at any time.

It's not about royalties, it's about a minor legal matter. Artist = in final say of their work, it's in the terms that come with bandamp FCOL. Maybe YOU should do a little more research....
#28February 10th, 2006 · 09:04 AM
74 threads / 5 songs
441 posts
United States of America
Guys, chill out. This site is basically still just a hobby website. I have the full-intention of letting anyone delete their MP3 (unless they win 1-3rd place, and accept a prize). I don't have the time right now to work on BandAMP, however, I do have a major update basically ready to go live (however it requires me parsing the database into the new database schema). The new version will allow you to delete MP3's, along with many other things, and basic polishing of the entire system.

Give me a few weeks at least. Entheon is coming back next week to get things started again (that's the latest news anyways), so we'll start fixing all the problems that have cropped up since I left. Seriously, just very busy on other projects now.
#29February 13th, 2006 · 06:19 PM
117 threads / 55 songs
1,540 posts
Chile
An idea could be to move all songs from February Battle to March one, to make everyone able to win a prize.

      > Iszil
#30February 13th, 2006 · 09:30 PM
42 threads / 1 songs
556 posts
United States of America
Everyone will be able to get prizes in all the battles from now on, so that probably wouldn't be worth it.
#31February 14th, 2006 · 12:04 AM
117 threads / 55 songs
1,540 posts
Chile
But I'm participating on February Battle and prizes begins on March one.

      > Iszil
#32February 14th, 2006 · 06:43 AM
121 threads / 56 songs
3,098 posts
Netherlands
Iszil wrote…
But I'm participating on February Battle and prizes begins on March one.

      > Iszil

Then record a new tune for the next battle, one so good that it will guarantee you a first prize!
#33February 14th, 2006 · 06:00 PM
117 threads / 55 songs
1,540 posts
Chile
PuppetXeno wrote…
Then record a new tune for the next battle, one so good that it will guarantee you a first prize!

Be Realistic man! It's impossible.

      > Iszil
#34February 14th, 2006 · 06:32 PM
55 threads / 30 songs
1,558 posts
United Kingdom
Not impossible Iz, just on the difficult side!!

You're songs are good - better than mine, I think - don't worry about winning prizes, just see it as a "nice to have" if you do take 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place.

I'm sure we're well off topic now
#35February 14th, 2006 · 06:45 PM
117 threads / 55 songs
1,540 posts
Chile
Jiminuk wrote…
don't worry about winning prizes, just see it as a "nice to have" if you do take 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place.

I know the important thing is to get the place, not the prize, but I would be cool the wear a BandAMP T-shirt.

Hey mud, got an idea: If you don't wanna give an iPod or an iPod Shuffle why you don't give only T-shirts for the 3 first places?

       > Iszil
#36February 14th, 2006 · 06:47 PM
121 threads / 56 songs
3,098 posts
Netherlands
um, yes. I want a BandAMP T-shirt!

but my music is so far off the mainstream I'll never win a prize...
#37February 14th, 2006 · 06:55 PM
55 threads / 30 songs
1,558 posts
United Kingdom
Perhaps you'll win a prize for music that's miles off the mainstream!!!

Can't we buy a bandamp T-shirt?
#38February 14th, 2006 · 06:56 PM
121 threads / 56 songs
3,098 posts
Netherlands
YEA... that would be cool... I'd buy one!
#39February 14th, 2006 · 09:04 PM
42 threads / 1 songs
556 posts
United States of America
hehe I want a Bandamp shirt... guess I'll have to get a mixer then.
Yeah, I like Jim's idea. Maybe have a couple other awards like farthest from the mainstream lol.

*sigh* poor Puppet such skill yet no one likes his music 
#40February 15th, 2006 · 12:59 AM
160 threads / 88 songs
1,666 posts
United States of America
you should be able to buy them on the cafepress website...

   http://www.cafepress.com/bandamp


     $13.99 $14.99 and $16.99 depending on which one you want...

                    JimK
#41February 20th, 2006 · 01:18 PM
8 posts
Sweden
mud wrote…
Guys, chill out. This site is basically still just a hobby website. I have the full-intention of letting anyone delete their MP3 (unless they win 1-3rd place, and accept a prize). I don't have the time right now to work on BandAMP, however, I do have a major update basically ready to go live (however it requires me parsing the database into the new database schema). The new version will allow you to delete MP3's, along with many other things, and basic polishing of the entire system.

Give me a few weeks at least. Entheon is coming back next week to get things started again (that's the latest news anyways), so we'll start fixing all the problems that have cropped up since I left. Seriously, just very busy on other projects now.

About the "unless they win 1-3rd place, and accept a prize":
Composers have always immaterial rights to their own work, no matter if they've won prizes with it or not. That is an important issue (dispite how "hobby" the 
website is).
#42February 23rd, 2006 · 01:03 AM
15 threads / 11 songs
147 posts
United States of America
Jesus man drop it.

Now on to the making a great song thing....your songs are great man. Just we have some very stiff competition now. There are people here that could do anything they want. Whay dont we all form the super bands? Or are a vast majority the kind who think they can only do it themselves and need no band? Or are they the ones waiting for that big deal? Im waiting on that deal myself.

Which means we really need a locator or something. So we know if anyone from here is in our area.
#43February 23rd, 2006 · 07:39 PM
55 threads / 30 songs
1,558 posts
United Kingdom
nunly81 wrote…
....are a vast majority the kind who think they can only do it themselves and need no band?
I can go it alone....... well, I could have 20 years ago.  Or, perhaps not - cos if I could have I would have!!!

Hell, no ..... I need a band
Preferably a really excellent band that can make up for my lack of ability; one that doesn't mind having me around because, what I lack in talent I make up for by being sooooooo nice!

But back in the real world (!) I think the idea of a locator is excellent.  The web stats page is ok, but a little too non-specific.  It would be really cool to see if anyone from this area is a member of Bandamp


Oh, and chill everyone, chill.  In with anger, out with love!!!
#44February 23rd, 2006 · 08:26 PM
121 threads / 56 songs
3,098 posts
Netherlands
I agree with bassboy... we need FULL ARTISTIC CONTROL... regardless of getting a first, second or third ranking... we should always be able to get the song off the net when we want to... it isn't any different... really...

#45March 7th, 2006 · 06:40 PM
17 threads / 16 songs
148 posts
United States of America
What is the bloody problem?
I am not sure what the fuss is but Bassboy, BABY, you don't get royalties if your song does not generate revenue. If someone calls your publisher and wants to use your song in a movie, that movie generates $ and you get a cut. This is a not-for-profit site that does not engage in commerce (so far) so I'm not sure what your version of ASCAP/BMI would have to say about the composer's voluntary posting of original work on a not for profit venue. What, exactly, would they be basing royalty % on?

OR.. is there truly a usage fee you incur if you want to use a song as a theme for, say, a blog? If you sign on to my personal website and i have my cover of Tubas in the Moonlight playing, am i supposed to be paying a fee? In the US no such fee exists or at least is being enforced. Perhaps the webhosts are paying ASCAP... yeah right.

If the songs you post are already released and your contract states that someone other than you has the control of how the material is used , that's a different story. However, I would imagine they'd be thrilled to have the exposure which might lead to actual INCOME on which they could then charge royalties on your behalf. Then again, if your songs are contractually obligated and you've got a deal, why are you even considering posting them on Bandamp? To win an Ipod, for God's sake?!

BTW, you can give up copyrights (Like a fool I did this with the first jingle i ever sold) but only if YOU want. You can charge what you think they're worth and , as with most property, the going rate will be decided by the potential for $ down the road. Otherwise , your songs are your songs and nobody change that.

I don't know about the intellectual property control in Sweden, but your compositions are subject to international copyright law no matter where they  appear on the web. Enforcing that law is the problem. Just ask RIAA. Posting a song on Bandamp is no different than sending it in CD form to a bunch of artists who you think might be interested in it . They can take that CD song and do with it anything a BandAmper would do. What does your royalty society in Sweden ask you to do in those cases? NOT shop a deal? Do they do it for you? I don't get it. I sympathize with your desire to be able to remove your mp3s at anytime YOU see fit, but that is a different issue.

If your songs are still in your control and you have no specific obligation to a record company or publisher (like 99+% of us), Bandamp seems to be a good place to develop them with feedback from other writers who take your work seriously, even though they themselves are not signed or published. That's why I'm here. If you're honestly concerned that at some point, the admins of Bandamp will compile a best-of CD, use one of your posts without your permission, sell the CD and not pay royalties to your legal reps, then you should simply not post. You can still remain a listening-only member. Just don't steal any of my stuff.
#46March 7th, 2006 · 11:28 PM
160 threads / 88 songs
1,666 posts
United States of America
BassBoy wrote…
About the "unless they win 1-3rd place, and accept a prize":
Composers have always immaterial rights to their own work, no matter if they've won prizes with it or not. That is an important issue (dispite how "hobby" the 
website is).

  Dude!!  It is the right of the owner of the music to post it here..  If the owner post's his music here, he/she has read the rules and the regulations of the website, and is fully aware of the legalities.. you are mistaken in your arguments..  This website has NO LEGAL OBLIGATIONS to pay royalties REGARDLESS of any recording contract or royalty society the owner joins.. The owner has an obligation to the royalty society or Recording company NOT to post music that would be under the label/society's control. THEREFORE, if you post music here.. and submit it in the battle, it is up to you to make sure you notify any producers or royalty societies, if you so join one, of the music you have here... I am sure Mud would be willing to assist you in removing them if the company wished to put it on an album.. but most producers would let it fly as a freebie on here as this isn't even a crumb from the music industry pie. ( no offense Mud but you know what I mean)
                    JimK
#47March 26th, 2006 · 07:39 AM
160 threads / 88 songs
1,666 posts
United States of America
Also,

  As this site is non-profit, no royalties are due to anyone.... Cover songs posted here are just as if you play them at a gig live... no payment required.... these are the laws as they apply to copywritten material....

    so, cover tunes, are ok... and if you make it big, and your songs are on here.. no royalties are due you, as noone makes money from these songs on here....

               Thank you
                    Jim (getting down off soapbox) K
#48March 30th, 2006 · 08:46 AM
NEXT!
I think it might be cool to have a "next" button when you are browsing through the songs to vote on them. That way you wouldn't have to go back to the browse or forum to click on the next song in order to vote on it. Maybe there is already a way to do this and I am just retarded, but if not...I think a next button would be cool.
#49April 4th, 2006 · 02:33 PM
8 posts
Sweden
Full rights for the artist
Okay. As you all agree (and I don't have any clue why wouldn't you), the ARTIST needs to have FULL RIGHTS to deside when to take of her/his music from this website. No-one else has rights to deside that. That's the issue. So, for how many months do we need to wait this simple act?
#50April 5th, 2006 · 04:37 PM
160 threads / 88 songs
1,666 posts
United States of America
Like it was said before, Mud can and will remove it, if you really want it removed..... THe reason it is locked, is so it stays in the HALL OF FAME... to remove the lock would be to lose the HALL OF FAME... and that is kind of a nice feature, and alot of other features are dependent on the hall of fame.. so more stuff will get lost... so it is keep hall of fame, or delete at will...

   I again think you are missing the point of this site... this site is not to make money for you... this site is to learn and grow as a musician... to get other musicians like yourself hearing your stuff, and giving you ideas you may not have thought of.. some of the people on here are VERY talented....and some are VERY proficient in the art of mixing and software enhancement... I personally, have seen myself, an improvement in my playing skill, quality of recording, and overall creativity that is 5-6 times what it was before arriving here on Bandamp, I attribut some of it to my own personal efforts, but much of it goes to to the people here on Bandamp, being gracious enough to actually be critical, and tell me the truth, hard to swallow sometimes, but I really appreciate it... If you want royalty checks for your work, then sorry, this is not the place for you, go to CD BABY..If you want to put your stuff on here, and enjoy the benefits of many other people helping you grow, then welcome.... We would love to have you....  BTW, I am sorry if it is sounding like I run this thing, Forgive me MUD, I just realized, I am coming across as an authority here.... I am strictly expressing what is so plainly stated in the terms and conditions of the website.... 
 
         Jim (again, getting off my soapbox) K
#51April 5th, 2006 · 04:40 PM
160 threads / 88 songs
1,666 posts
United States of America
re: NEXT!
LowProductivity wrote…
I think it might be cool to have a "next" button when you are browsing through the songs to vote on them. That way you wouldn't have to go back to the browse or forum to click on the next song in order to vote on it. Maybe there is already a way to do this and I am just retarded, but if not...I think a next button would be cool.

  I Agree, a next song button would be cool.... but the songs are added to so often, it may be hard to implement...  I mean, you click next, but if PuppetXeno just uploadeda song, while you were listening to one, perhaps it changes the number order, and you get the same song again, or you may also just miss a bunch of songs...

                  Jim "slowhand" K
#52April 5th, 2006 · 07:31 PM
I must defend my 'next' button!
Yeah, there is the chance that a song might be accidentally skipped because it was uploaded at the same time you clicked the "next" button, but it would still show up in your "my home" as un-listened to or un-voted on. I just think it would facilitate listening and giving feedback because you could get in the zone without having to go back and forth between pages. Anyway, I am not terribly inconvenienced that there is not one right now...it's just another one of those typical "I want easy things to be easier" ideas.

Also, I agree with you on the rights issue...or rather non-issue. The site and artists guidelines are stated clearly in the terms and conditions. It is not as if band amp is capitalizing off of the musicians.
#53May 28th, 2006 · 12:40 PM
17 threads / 16 songs
81 posts
Philippines
Yeah , i vote for Lyrics Tech lessons , would it be also possible to classify the composition in different style...Not everyone likes every styles , i'll will never make any review on styles i dont like , because i dont understand , so i am not in a position to judge.This is why i am interested to see the songs classified by styles , (country , pop , folk , etc...)
francois
#54May 28th, 2006 · 03:46 PM
121 threads / 56 songs
3,098 posts
Netherlands
re: I must defend my 'next' button!
LowProductivity wrote…
Yeah, there is the chance that a song might be accidentally skipped because it was uploaded at the same time you clicked the "next" button, but it would still show up in your "my home" as un-listened to or un-voted on. I just think it would facilitate listening and giving feedback because you could get in the zone without having to go back and forth between pages. Anyway, I am not terribly inconvenienced that there is not one right now...it's just another one of those typical "I want easy things to be easier" ideas.

Also, I agree with you on the rights issue...or rather non-issue. The site and artists guidelines are stated clearly in the terms and conditions. It is not as if band amp is capitalizing off of the musicians.

I agree, that sounds like a good idea.

Also, @Nemo6, such a thing is in the making... AFAIK it will be implemented some time, however when exactly is as yet uncertain. So don't hold your breath
#55May 29th, 2006 · 12:44 AM
66 threads / 55 songs
697 posts
United States of America
I was wondering... would it be possible to increase the new mp3/post lists on the home page to say... 10 maybe? instead of 5?

reasons being... for those certain days when more than 5 songs are upoaded, some get missed.

And, of course, you can always just click "more" or whatever... but.. on the other hand, I figured it would be relatively to change, as the code only applies to the home page...
#56May 29th, 2006 · 05:56 AM
121 threads / 56 songs
3,098 posts
Netherlands
takaminerbb13 wrote…
I was wondering... would it be possible to increase the new mp3/post lists on the home page to say... 10 maybe? instead of 5?

reasons being... for those certain days when more than 5 songs are upoaded, some get missed.

And, of course, you can always just click "more" or whatever... but.. on the other hand, I figured it would be relatively to change, as the code only applies to the home page...

well, there's a new version of BandAMP in developement, the list on there is slightly longer,  as are the "new posts" and "top members" lists. Don't hold your breath, the new version isn't finished yet, so it may take a while before it's actually here. But... I promise you'll love it!
#57May 29th, 2006 · 01:37 PM
66 threads / 55 songs
697 posts
United States of America
aahh good...

I'm feeling better already.
#58June 1st, 2006 · 08:20 PM
10 threads / 10 songs
101 posts
United States of America
tho it's some time ago...
I don't know why anyone would want to bother "illegally" downloading an inferior media for music (ie, Mp3s, when you could have a cd, or a record, better yet...).

When I went to engineering school, I was told by an entertainment lawyer that one thought was to copyright everything the second it was done, and the other said, don't bother, if someone wants to steal it, they easily could with a tiny change here and there, and most people who would want to are musicians and most wouldn't do that?

I'm trying to get my girlfriend to come up here, becusue she does a lot in music as a lawyer. She told me when a friend allowed GameBoy to use his image in a cartoon form for their game, and gave him a waiver to sign (so they wouldn't have to pay him anything else but the 450)--that that was b.s, because you can't sell your own image. If they made money off your voice/face, you get to go back within a certain period of time and make them pay up.

But--a video game trademark/copyright attorney is NOT the same as one who does commerial work, or one who does mostly music, or one who usually does big companies, as I understand it.

You could always go cheap, send yourself a CD copy/ music to yourself registered mail, and don't open it. The postmark is proof of the date of the music.

As I also understand it, the internet IS a form of proof that your song was in existence at such and such date, so I think it's a form of copyright in itself. I have this huge book on music business legalese called "All you need to know about the music business" don't recall author. I bet it's in there. It's a REAL dry read, tho.
#59June 1st, 2006 · 08:31 PM
10 threads / 10 songs
101 posts
United States of America
forgot why I came over here...
Maybe we ought to look at the idea of putting out CDs we could sell of the month's winners? We could use the resulting money to get new bands/artists up here, seeing as it took me some time to find you guys, and no one I spoke to ever heard of bandamp. I think it's a great site, myself.

Only one prob...I sometimes want to reply to someone, but then I forget all of what I wanted to say, and if I go back, I'll lose what I wrote. On some sites, the reply screen is a screen I can move and see the original response underneath.

Some of the photos are great, and I'd like to print up some of them, just because I have to hear the music that goes with some pics.

Aren't there some CD mastering/burning places that just do the amount you need? I know the mastering guy records onto a glass master, and then sends it out to be burned-which is a better copy than you make at home.

We'd have to arrange to collect wav.s of the songs in question, compile them, and give them continuity in terms of sound levels and such.
#60June 1st, 2006 · 08:48 PM
10 threads / 10 songs
101 posts
United States of America
live covers
From my lawyer girlfriend here in the states...if you performed Led Zeppelin and your gig made a total of 1,500, it would cost them WAY too much to bother with the likes of little cover-band whoever. It's not that you don't HAVE to pay, it's generally too much bother.

NOW, for example, THAT depends on who you're dealing with. One motorcycle co. sued someone for using the word "hog" in the context of PIGS!

But, let's say someone who's going to net several hundred thousand dollars per concert...you better believe the band will be forced to pay up. Since a lot of musicians already know each other, who would you try and cheat someone you know?

 On the other hand, if you were Paul McCarney for example, you'd have 40 million a year JUST for songwriter's rights (remember, Mike Jackson bought a lot of the publishing rights; it's a 50% split) anyway, so what difference would it make?

Royalty sheets apparently seem to make more money on them than they actually are. If you get a record deal, and they give you 200 thousand to make a record; you now OWE them that money, if they don't get their 200 grand back. THAT's scary!!

Of course, if a label has "blocked out" a room (bought a studio for a period of time so that no one is allowed in until the time's up, a weekend, a month, whatever...), you can also note that the same room that costs me or you fifty an hour, will cost that label 200 dollars per hour.

That's of course, in our part of the world. If the laws are different in another country/state, I don't know what they do then...
#61June 2nd, 2006 · 11:58 PM
10 threads / 10 songs
101 posts
United States of America
ease of finding artists?
I would like to have a spot to type in an artist's name so that an interested party could write bandamp.com/so-and-so, or something when you come in. That would save time...
#62June 3rd, 2006 · 05:05 PM
160 threads / 88 songs
1,666 posts
United States of America
re: ease of finding artists?
journeygirl wrote…
I would like to have a spot to type in an artist's name so that an interested party could write bandamp.com/so-and-so, or something when you come in. That would save time...

WELL,  actually all bandamp members have a homepage it is http://artistname.bandamp.com  
  for example http://journeygirl.bandamp.com takes us to your page..

so, that is an easy way.. also there is a search button at the top of all pages on Bandamp.

Also, you can add the person to your favorites... that is also fast and easy... just click on their name, and then click the big heart.....

    Hope that helps...

           Jim K
#63June 6th, 2006 · 04:10 AM
66 threads / 55 songs
697 posts
United States of America
mmm not sure if anyone has mentioned this before... or if it's in the new version of bandamp?

how about email notifications for actions other than comments on your songs...

such as... when you receive a vote... when you receive a pm... when your song is put in the house mix of the amp...

and... an option to customize which actions you receive email notifications for...
#64June 30th, 2006 · 02:40 PM
31 threads / 5 songs
178 posts
Spain
We talked about that last year I think...
#65June 30th, 2006 · 04:53 PM
66 threads / 55 songs
697 posts
United States of America
to follow up...

actually I heard that there will be something similar in the new version of bandamp. at least notifications for pms, if I heard right.
#66September 22nd, 2006 · 05:17 PM
5 posts
United States of America
User friendlier
Hello everyone, I am new here of course, one thing that I noticed though is that the site is not user friendly as far as uploading your songs here,,, it took my quite a while to figure out that I had to review 3 songs to upload 1 song, I don't have a problem with that, it's just that it was not very obvious to me at first... Just my 2 cents... Thanks, and nice too meet everyone here.
#67February 2nd, 2007 · 10:56 PM
160 threads / 33 songs
1,966 posts
United States of America
ah but you do have a copyright
you own it as you record it. according to us copyright law . I know lots of you aren't in the US but all they care about is first proof of ownership. very easy to do you can google the different ways. The real thing I wanted to mention is that if you have a contract you would not be asking that question and also labels "leak"  stuff out all the time for free just to give some hype  to something (you want to get peoples attention tell em it's free, better yet tell em it's pirated) contract lawyers would have you disclose where your songs are all uploaded to and they then would decide the next course of action ie new songs or pressure on the site to delete said song or songs. 

But this is all really as pup said Grey area.


                                                           humble opinion (ramblings)
                                                                          of a goat
                                                                                 Greg
#68September 8th, 2007 · 06:05 AM
42 posts
Finland
Quite interesting.
On January 2007 an e-mail was sent from the Copyright Information and Anti-Piracy Centre to the admin of the BandAmp website, including a message to delete my song from this website. Today, after 9 months from the monitory letter, nothing has happened. You can still find the song in this website.

The song has been recorded and, of course, Composers' Copyright Society patrols it's rights.

Wondering, if the admins have even heard about copyright and full artist control. I would like to hear the admin's answer to the question: in your assessment, who owns the right of the music?
#69September 8th, 2007 · 02:36 PM
50 threads
259 posts
United States of America
guys its simple if u dont want your songs on here dont upload them i mean it takes no genius to figure that one
#70September 8th, 2007 · 10:03 PM
160 threads / 88 songs
1,666 posts
United States of America
re: Quite interesting.
LLS01 wrote…
On January 2007 an e-mail was sent from the Copyright Information and Anti-Piracy Centre to the admin of the BandAmp website, including a message to delete my song from this website. Today, after 9 months from the monitory letter, nothing has happened. You can still find the song in this website.

The song has been recorded and, of course, Composers' Copyright Society patrols it's rights.

Wondering, if the admins have even heard about copyright and full artist control. I would like to hear the admin's answer to the question: in your assessment, who owns the right of the music?

  Hmm...  A letter was sent to who? If it was sent to the registrant of Bandamp.com, It takes almost 10 months for them to get it, because it has to go to the Whois Database privacy dept. and then get sent to the appropriate people. And they are VERY VERY slow.. And I totally don't understand why you didn't just ask a moderator like me or PuppetXeno, with an explanation of why you want it down... We can remove it at anytime, as I have done for another user who just asked.. nice and simple... So, if you ask, it will be done.. no problem...

   But this post you put here is terrible.. The site has been running with only us lowly moderators about for some time...  Basically, here is another problem.. Sure, there are a ton of different groups, BMI, Composers' Copyright Society, etc. But on the web, there is little they can do, ESPECIALLY when you uploaded it of your OWN FREE WILL, after agreeing to the terms of membership that SPECIFICALLY STATE that the song will not be able to be deleted after it is entered into a battle.. Now, remember, I said above that we would be happy to delete the song for you, if you just ask... but there is no reason to be mean, or disparaging.. I am very proud of this community, and this site.. And I and PuppetXeno work VERY hard to keep it a nice friendly atmosphere... 

          JimK
      Moderator
#71September 10th, 2007 · 09:16 PM
42 posts
Finland
Then, please, remove it.
#72September 10th, 2007 · 11:11 PM
128 threads / 44 songs
2,814 posts
Puerto Rico
LLS01 wrote…
Then, please, remove it.

Peace!
#73September 11th, 2007 · 12:07 AM
160 threads / 88 songs
1,666 posts
United States of America
LLS01 wrote…
Then, please, remove it.

  It has been done...   


      I do hate to see that song go... Was such a nice one....  Anyway, it's gone, as per your request...  I just hope this is what you truly want... It makes it nice when people can see your songs, and all the comments.. I mean, reviews like those are worth their weight in gold... unfortunately now, it can't be brought back.. It is gone, and that is that.... sigh....

          JimK
#74September 15th, 2007 · 06:46 AM
76 threads / 5 songs
529 posts
Cook Islands
wellll...
since interviews are starting to get going,we were thinking of maybe a interview forum where I can post both written interviews and vocal ones as well.
I would be nice since,as someone has stated before,it would be lost among The Pit!(which is no bueno!)
If you don't want to make one,that is fine very understandable....but I'm just stating it would be really awesome!
Thank you!
Cheyenne
#75September 15th, 2007 · 09:00 PM
17 threads / 3 songs
185 posts
United States of America
very cool ideas
like the interviews idea... I just did one for the goatman podcast with Kinetic X (Minds At Play and Marino).
It was the first one of these that I have tried.. I think it went pretty good.. I just wished I could have been able to que up there songs at will so the audience could hear their music in the interview.  I am working on that though.
I thought about posting it here but since there is talk of interviews going on already I did not want to step on anyones toes..
#76September 15th, 2007 · 09:48 PM
76 threads / 5 songs
529 posts
Cook Islands
gtr
That is fine,I don't mind if you want to do interviews or whatever.No one is stopping you!I'm just getting a bit late started due to classes,homework,and other stupid school functions.
Plus you do have a good radio voice unlike I,unfortunately,don't.
Hopefully someone will read this VERY soon.-cough-administration-cough-
I digress....
#77September 16th, 2007 · 02:03 AM
65 threads / 2 songs
1,062 posts
United States of America
I think you should just start doing them and post them in the pit for safe keeping maybe?  Im not sure the Admins are able to create new forums or not?  Cant wait, Chy!
#78September 16th, 2007 · 02:08 AM
76 threads / 5 songs
529 posts
Cook Islands
Pit Seems a good Idea...
If not,I can just save the files in a folder,and when the time arises put them into a forum or whatever...
You're coming up so just be patient lol
#79September 16th, 2007 · 02:10 AM
65 threads / 2 songs
1,062 posts
United States of America
LOL! no worries!  I just anxious to see a new feature on the Amp and to hear from some of the tremendous artist on this site!  ...Alas im back to work! Get started!
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